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1 W |
2010 8-0
2009 12-0 |
TBD |
After two months in 2nd place, Oly rises back up to the top spot. A defeat of Tucson this month extended their WFTDA winning streak to a record-setting 19 in a row, and more data for Charm City, Rocky Mountain and Gotham demonstrated that Oly's (relatively) narrow defeat of Charm City wasn't a sign of potential weakness. At this point, until Oly gets beaten, it looks like they're the team to beat. |
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1 E |
2010 3-0
2009 7-2 |
7/18 @ Madison |
Fall a slot on the swap with Oly, but their thoroughly dominant performance against a tough Windy City team at ECE proved that they're no less of an intimidating opponent than ever. |
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3 W |
2010 7-1
2009 8-7 |
8/21 @ Windy City |
RMRG holds steady with a big rout over Charm City in June, and fills out a massively imposing top three. |
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2 E |
2010 6-3
2009 9-2 |
8/21 vs Carolina |
After spending most of the year in the bottom of the top ten, Philly jumps back into the top five with a narrow defeat of Denver, which allows them to vault half of the very tough West Region clump of Oly / Rocky Mountain / Denver / Rose City / Rat City. |
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2 W |
2010 5-1
2009 12-3 |
7/24 @ Charm City |
Drops one slot with their loss to Philly; later this month, they'll get a clash with Charm City that ought to be a fascinating matchup of similar styles. Both teams have taken narrow victories over Texas so far this year. |
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4 W |
2010 6-2
2009 5-3 |
8/15 vs Gotham |
Had a significant scare against Boston at ECE, down by 30 points at halftime, but implemented some very effective halftime adjustments to nearly shut down Boston in the second half. They still drop a slot with the rise of Philly, though. |
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5 W |
2010 5-3
2009 5-7 |
8/14 @ Gotham |
With a defeat of Texas but a loss to Denver in June, Rat City pretty much performed to expectations and continues to just barely take up the rear in a tightly matched Western Region top five. |
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4 E |
2010 4-5
2009 13-5 |
7/24 vs Denver |
After a trying five-game losing streak that stretched from April to June, Charm City righted themselves last month with a solid win over Kansas City and a dramatic comeback win over Texas. Now back in the top ten, they host Denver on July 24 in a match that has the potential to send them yet higher. |
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1 SC |
2010 3-5
2009 11-2 |
8/22 @ [TBA] |
Texas is right about where Charm City was recently, mired in the longest losing streak of their lengthy existence (5 games) with almost all of those losses coming against the top 5 in the West. Though they still sit atop their WFTDA South Central region, they drop to their lowest unofficial national ranking at 9. |
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3 E |
2010 3-5
2009 10-9 |
7/17 vs Madison |
The Massacre lost both their bouts at ECE, but seemed to be punching above their weight in both instances - they stayed relatively close to Gotham for the first 45 minutes before Gotham finally took over at the end, and looked like they were going to topple Rose City at halftime before Rose City played a stellar second half to win. |
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1 NC |
2010 2-2
2009 10-2 |
7/31 vs Boston |
Windy City was severely punished by Gotham at ECE, but turned in a much more impressive - if ultimately unsuccessful - performance against Philly the following night. Still, though, the Gotham bout drops them below Boston, who managed to play Gotham much more closely the same weekend. WCR and Boston will get to battle it out head-to-head when Boston comes to Chicago on July 31. |
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3 NC |
2010 7-1
2009 8-6 |
TBD |
Detroit scored a Power Rankings upset in a closed match in June by narrowly defeating Madison 139-114; that result appears to seriously tighten the battle for first place in a North Central region that has been traditionally dominated by Windy City. |
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2 NC |
2010 0-4
2009 7-4 |
7/17 @ Boston |
The Mad Rollin' Dolls drop a couple of slots with their late-month loss to Detroit.
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7 W |
2010 8-3
2009 5-5 |
8/13 @ Gotham |
Bay Area has spent most of their year trying to show that their dismaying performance at February's Wild West Showdown was an outlier; a dramatic win over San Diego and an impressive first half against Philly at ECE seems to demonstrate that the San Francisco crew is still solidly on the radar, but they'll likely have a very tough time cracking the top 5 in the West. |
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2010 10-1
2009 8-3 |
8/21 @ Angel City |
The SoCal girls remain the only non-WFTDA team in the unofficial top 25, losing a slot this month as a result of dropping a last-jam classic to Bay Area in June. |
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5 E |
2010 7-2
2009 11-3 |
7/17 vs [TBA] |
Most of Steel City's big wins this year have come against overmatched competition, but a very close game against Detroit in the finals of May's Spring Roll tournament keeps Steel City in the middle of the pack. |
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2010 2-2
2009 5-0 |
TBD |
It'll be some time before we get to see London stateside again for WFTDA sanctioned action -- for now they're mostly treading water in the teens. |
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2 SC |
2010 3-2
2009 9-4 |
TBD |
The return of early star Kelley Young has been a shot in the arm for KC -- though they ended up losing solidly to Charm City in June, 220-158, they were still in the game in the final three minutes before two monster jams for Charm skewed the margin. Though they lost a head-to-head matchup to regional rival Atlanta in May by 13 points, we're thinking that the current KC roster would be victorious today. |
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4 NC |
2010 9-1
2009 10-5 |
8/28 @ Bay Area |
Cincy swaps spots with Atlanta after taking a last-jam nailbiter in late June, 126-117. Right now they're on the outside looking in for one of the critical top-three spots in the WFTDA North Central region, but they haven't lost a WFTDA bout yet this year. |
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3 SC |
2010 7-3
2009 8-8 |
7/24 vs Providence |
A 7-game WFTDA winning streak was snapped in dramatic fashion by Cincinnati at the end of June, and a strange month in the WFTDA South Central leaves Atlanta in a somewhat odd position -- above a team they lost to (Nashville) and below a team they beat (Kansas City) this year. |
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9 E |
2010 11-3
2009 5-6 |
10/2 @ San Diego |
Montreal went postal on Tampa Bay and Dominion at ECE, defeating them by a combined total of 485 to 84. In addition to steadily improving all year, Montreal has also put themselves in a good position for this year's Eastern Regional, as they've played the majority of the teams likely to qualify. Barring an unexpected turnaround, they seem likely to only head higher as the year plays out. |
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4 SC |
2010 10-5
2009 7-3 |
9/25 @ Pacific |
Only action this month was an expected rout of Hard Knox, which doesn't affect Dallas' standing much -- their drop comes as a result of the rise of Kansas City and Montreal. |
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6 NC |
2010 4-2
2009 9-3 |
7/17 @ Brewcity |
NSRG comes right back on the Power Rankings after a one-month absence by taking down Nashville at ECE. |
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5 SC |
2010 7-1
2009 8-5 |
7/10 vs Tallahassee |
Nashville takes a precipitous drop from last month's slot at #17 after a shaky 1-1 performance at ECE -- they barely escaped losing to lowly-ranked DC in the opener and then were defeated by North Star. Nashville's weekend didn't seem to track with their successful 6-0 WFTDA record up to that point, so we'll have to see whether ECE was just an off weekend for them. |
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5 NC |
2010 5-2
2009 6-4 |
7/17 vs North Star |
Brewcity hangs on at the bottom rung after taking defeats at the hands of Detroit and Cincinnati in June. A matchup against North Star on July 17 gives them an opportunity to claw their way up a little. |
Comments
IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!
First!
Oooh......
I like that top ten.
Regional Playoffs are going to be EXCITING this year!!
Rose vs. Philly
However, Rose toppled Philly during an unofficial bout the Sunday morning of ECE, so I wouldn't be too certain these rankings will stay stable for too long.
And the next Rose bout is 8/13 with Rat City, along with Gotham/BAD on 8/13. 8/14 is Rat/BAD and Rose/Gotham. 8/15 is Rat/Gotham and Rose/BAD.
Rose v Rat v Gotham v BAD
I can't wait for that weekend!!
While the bouts won't count for regional standings, it will be a very nice sneak peek of what's to come in the WFTDA Playoff season. =D
agreed
I'm not sure any other sport where weighting point differentials over wins would be taken seriously. Rose defeated Philly officially by 2 on Feb 28th. Then they defeated them unofficially by 32 on June 27th. It's understandable that DNN would refuse to take that into account, since it was not sanctioned, but I'd say it's indicative of the trajectory. But then I'm one of those "crazy" people who think Oly should be ranked #1 until they are actually beaten by another team. I suppose we divide into 2 camps, those who think point differentials are more important, and those who think wins are more important. I'm definitely the latter.
Here we go again
Given the amount of derby that is played, one of our biggest headaches is figuring out what to take into consideration when doing rankings. If we tried to keep track of every scrimmage played, it would be impossible and probably misleading even if we could handle it. Since Philly / Rose at ECE was closed, unpromoted, unsanctioned and none of us saw it, we didn't factor that result in at all. Was it indicative of current relative strength? We have absolutely no idea, and we try not to guess whenever possible.
Re point differentials: we have never weighted point differentials over wins. We have used point differentials in the absence of recent head to head results, and even then, they're not necessarily a yardstick (see Gotham & Rocky Mountain this month - by point differential against shared opponents, RMRG should be over Gotham, but they're not.) We absolutely welcome argument & debate, but please argue with our actual methodology & opinions, not the ones you want to ascribe to us :)
The reason why I brought up
The reason why I brought up the unofficial bout is because power rankings here, as I understand, are about who would win if they met face-to-face next time around. So we may have beat Philly earlier in the season, and remain competitive 4 months later (no matter what the fun and awesome opportunity offered to us by the hosting league--thanks ladies!).
fair enough
Yeah it's not easy to rank with a small number of data points. Certainly I can understand that the Rose victory over Philly was close and not recent enough. Still, part of me says a team shouldn't drop until a team beats them, or beats a team that has beaten them. If Denver had beaten Rose in a recent bout than this ranking would make sense. But for me, watching Denver vs Philly I didn't see that Philly was playing better than usual but that Denver was playing worse that usual. So if it had been up to me I would have dropped Denver instead of raising Philly. But it wasn't so I'll just offer my lowly, biased opinion.
on the topic of not dropping
on the topic of not dropping a team until they're beaten, this could work in the favor of leagues that schedule very few games, making it hard to rank them, but sometimes they don't deserve to be ranked where they are just because of lack of data. At some point you have to ask, shouldn't they prove to be in the spot they are?
Like she said
This is especially true with Oly... who appears to be taking the summer off again and not playing at all until September (a strategy that certainly worked well for them last year, however). In fact, in light of this month's rankings, I suspect there's nothing any other teams could do that could bump Oly from the #1 spot. Maybe if Gotham wins all of its next bouts 200-10?
I wouldn't consider Oly a
I wouldn't consider Oly a team that this applies to. They've had more than their share of opponents this season.
Flaw detected
Still, part of me says a team shouldn't drop until a team beats them, or beats a team that has beaten them.
London would be pleased with this methodology, as it would pretty much guarantee them a spot in the top 20 well into next year. ;)
toppled?
not sure i'd say winning by 32 (1-2 big jams worth of points) should be referred to as toppled... and if i were philly's coach/manager, i might have taken that unsanctioned scrimmage as an opportunity to play some of my skaters who don't get track time in a bout that "counts", thereby giving the appearance of a 'weaker' team. this of course only would make philly stronger in the long run, as they will have a deeper bench for the late season when it matters most.
dude, seriously?
it wasn't an "unofficial bout" .. it was a for-fun scrimmage bc portland traveled far + asked us to do it (which we were happy to do!).
we played our entire charter, like ten seconds after waking up. if it were a bout for rankings or sanctioning, you can bet both teams would have gone into the situation with a different mindset.
this was just for fun.
not trying to pick nits
But... it seems that folks are trying to imply that Philly took it easy and Rose didn't. While Philly was playing "ten seconds after waking up" Portland was as well, not to mention playing at 5am their time. And while I'm sure Philly was playing newer / lesser played players my understanding is that Rose was as well. Since both teams were playing sanctioned bouts later in the day I'm sure *both* teams took it easy, and that's why I would suggest that this bout was indicative of overall team strength, perhaps even more indicative of the depth of the team given the player choices.
I'll pick your nits!
To quote the once-great Allen Iverson: "we ain't talkin about the game, we talkin' 'bout practice." Whatever Rose did to Philly during this practice - cuz that's what scrimmages are, practice - really don't matter. They could have all been hung over, skating in their bikinis, jamming their mascots. It's practice. And yes, Rose had a very lovely victory against them at WWS. It was a fantastic game and these two are very well-matched teams (although if you ask this betting woman who would win tomorrow, I'd throw my Gs down for Philly). But to want to drag this practice into how DNN ranks makes me booooo.
I concur.
The Asian Beyonce speaks the truth... practices should have nothing to do with how teams should be ranked... that's booty...
Cincinnati's next game
Is actually 08/22 @ Kansas City.
There are times when I wonder
There are times when I wonder if DNN's unofficial status leads teams to attempt to manipulate other teams' expectations with results of "out of region" games that have no influence on seeding.
Given how the skaters use the rules, it wouldn't surprise me.
out of region
There are times when I wonder if DNN's unofficial status leads teams to attempt to manipulate other teams' expectations with results of "out of region" games that have no influence on seeding.
Given how the skaters use the rules, it wouldn't surprise me.
out of region games affect WFTDA seeding, if that's what you are referencing. Any sanctioned game through the quartr being voted on can be taken into consideration.
Thanks for the correction.
Thanks for the correction. It's not an entirely transparent system, so I was laboring under the most obvious assumption.
cincy didnt really swap spots with atlanta.
Atlanta was 18. Cincy was 19.
Now, Cincy is still 19 and Atlanta is 20.
Cincy Still 19
Atlanta was 18. Cincy was 19.
Now, Cincy is still 19 and Atlanta is 20.
Well, at least we're consistent... LOL!
Dazed and Confused
Cincy McConaughey Wooderson: "That's what I love about these DNN Rankings, man. They keep movin' around, we stay the SAME rank."
Cincy McConaughey Wooderson: "Man, it's the same bullshit they tried to pull in my day. If it ain't that new rule set, there's some other choice they're gonna try and make for you. You gotta do what Wooly Bully wants to do, man. Let me tell you this, the older you get, the more rules they are going to try and get you to follow. You just gotta keep on skatin', man. S-K-A-T-I-N."
Cincy McConaughey Wooderson: "Let me tell you what Hannah Ouchocinco is packin' right here, all right. We got Riedell 395 boots, Rolline Energy plates, Atom Omega 2 wheels, Bones Swiss Precisions 7mm Bearings, turbo-jet, leopard print, jammer-speed horsepower. We're talkin' some fuckin' muscle."
Cincy McConaughey Wooderson: "All right, all right, all right."
This is wonderful.
This is wonderful.
Agreed
This is wonderful.
Agreed. I like this version of Quad MUCH better.
Make it 3 then
It took some thought to come up with this and I love it.
S-K-A-T-I-N
Also loving it!!!
Steel City's July bout
Steel City is playing Philly on July 17th in a double header at home.
#14
Phew! That feels better. Nice work, GOLDEN GIRLS!!!!
xoxo
-Mox
HELLARAD
www.wearehellarad.com
Jet City
Wondering if anyone from DNN can comment on this...where is Jet City on your unofficial radar? I figured this would be their first "best chance" at cracking the top 25 this month. Where do you all see them?
Either way, should be a very interesting battle to see who fills out the Western Region this year too...
You have to figure the following are in:
Oly
Rocky
Denver
Rose
Rat
BAD
That leaves four open spots. I'm assuming host auto bids in? Not sure about that though, but that'd make me think Sacred City is in.
So that leaves Duke, Angel, Tuscon, Pikes Peak and Jet vying for three spots...man...it's gonna be a battle!
IMHO Jet has proved itself already against teams of this level, beating Tuscon last week, the Philly Independence Dolls and Arch Rival at the Brewhaha, and narrowly losing to Duke by 7 at the WWS.
I would think Duke would be in with their track record (assuming this year has followed suit).
So, Angel City, Tuscon or Pikes Peak for that last spot....tough call.
What do y'all think?
If I had to rank the west right now, I'd go:
1) Oly
2) Rocky
3) Rose
4) Denver
5) Rat
6) BAD
7) Jet
8) Duke
9) Sacred
10) Tuscon
So I guess I'm picking tuscon :)
Outside the top 25
We don't exactly keep a Secret Unpublished List of slots 26-50 or anything, so it's hard to answer your question beyond what we said in the intro article. That being said, we come up with the rankings by each one of us making a separate list and then comparing and reconciling them, and Jet did debut on one of them, so we're definitely very aware of them ... they just haven't played a top 25 team other than Duke, so it's hard to for them to win their way in right now (I think Montreal and London are the only teams on here without a win over a top 25 team, based mostly on their level of dominance over sub-25 teams.)
What?!?!
You mean there is no great DNN conspiracy?!?!?! :)
Triangulation
I think your percentage speaks for itself in terms of the validity of your rankings. The only thing that makes me go hmmm about the London ranking is that triangulation implies that teams ranked lower than London would also lose to the Philly and Texas home teams. There's some pretty tough teams in the 18 to 25 spots, so I don't think I'd take that bet. I have no dog in this fight, so this is purely an academic question for me, and I mean no disrespect to London.
Maybe we should let Paul the Octopus rank the teams? He's got a pretty good track record with the World Cup......
no
The hosting team does not "auto bid" in to the regional tourney. They have to be ranked among the top 10 teams in their region by the WFTDA.
http://wftda.com/rankings
As of right now, Jet City sits at the #12 spot in the west. However, WFTDA quarterly rankings will be released again in the last week of this month, and those rankings will determine which teams get to go to regionals.
Thanks!
Sweet! Thanks Moxxxie! Wasn't sure how that worked...keep up the good work with hellarad btw....rainy city <3's it big time!
thinking ahead to nationals
It's disappointing to think that if these standings were accurately reflected in regional tournament play that 3 of the top 10 teams would not go to nationals so that we'll be "treated" to large number of blowouts like the last 2 years. If we define blowout as win of more than 50 points then:
2008: 8 bouts - 5 blowouts (including championship bout)
2009: 12 bouts - 6 blowouts (including championship bout)
I'm not advocating any changes, just think it's disappointing when trying to get people excited about derby to say, yeah there'll be a lot of boring blowouts in the national tournament. At the very least I'm hoping the brackets prevent Gotham v Oly until the championship in 2010 (assuming neither are defeated in their region by then).
Wildcard system
I'm very much in favor of a wildcard tournament system similar to what the NFL uses. There would be 12 bids based on Regional tournament results (same as current), plus four wildcard teams that would be determined by vote after the Regional tournaments were finished. So, the Championship tournament would have 16 teams instead of 12. Undoubtably, most of those four wildcards would come from the West Region right now.
That would be....
sweet. It'd make the tournament flow much easier too with a nice 16-8-4-2-1 breakdown.
16
sweet. It'd make the tournament flow much easier too with a nice 16-8-4-2-1 breakdown.
I couldn't imagine a derby tournament with 16 teams, wow!
It would...
really only add four bouts to the tournament, as the No. 1 seeds just wouldn't have the first-round bye they do now. But, as was stated earlier too, you may just be opening the door to more lopsided first-round bouts at nationals since (in theory) the No 1's would play the No. 4's right off the bat. Tough to say...You have the West who could easily send the extra teams, but I wonder how the rest of the regions would stack up depth-wise for this...What do you all think?
I'd say "lopsided first-round
I'd say "lopsided first-round bouts" are preferable to lopsided last-round bouts.
Let's assume these rankings reflect regional tournament play. Let's assume that through votes or record we'd see the top ranked teams (according to this month's ranking) not making nationals be selected we'd have:
Rose City, Rat City, Boston, Bay Area as wild cards
That would mean the top 14 teams would be represented in the field of 16 rather than the top 5 in a field of 12. A substantial improvement and one that I think would get a consensus.
Though personally if I had a vote I'm not sure I'd pick Bay Area. I think I'd pick London just to add the international flavor to the event.
What it would add is
Another day in an already three day, volunteer, travel on your own money, take off work for free or burn vacation time weekend.
Believe me, if and when derby does not cost an arm and a leg and loads of personal "spare" time, a different tournament structure could be just as exciting as the one we have now. Additionally a WFTDA wide national ranking would be needed, a great goal for the future, again when things are standardized and not based on being a free time, extra curricular activity (as seriously as we want to take the sport, that is currently where it sits in the grand scheme of things).
Damn those day jobs!
Same amount of time
"Damn those day jobs!"
No joke!
In regards to expanding, the tournament would be the same amount of days, you just wouldn't have first-round byes for No. 1 seeds. But I agree, this would be several (2-5) years in the planning and making before it could likely happen.
It's not that simple.
In regards to expanding, the tournament would be the same amount of days, you just wouldn't have first-round byes for No. 1 seeds. But I agree, this would be several (2-5) years in the planning and making before it could likely happen.
How do you fit more bouts into the "same amount of time?"
The thing to keep in mind is that there's always a cost/benefit ratio to consider.
Two tracks
The quarterfinal bouts could be run on two tracks at the same time on Friday, then run the semifinals on one track on Saturday, and the finals on one track on Sunday. It's not an ideal solution, but it may be doable. It would just limit the number of leagues who could host the Championships, because not everyone has access to a venue large enough to hold two tracks. And it would also limit the ability of spectators to see every bout, but that might be worth it if it will allow worthy wildcard teams a shot at the championship.
Two tracks, two points
If memory serves, the last two Nationals started late on Friday (5 or 6 pm), with only two bouts being played. If you started earlier in the day you could get everything done using one track. Of course, some teams would have to move up their travel times by a few hours, but I wouldn't think that would be a deal breaker. It seems most folks skating on Friday arrive in the host city Thursday afternoon anyway. The biggest issue might be extra rent on the space due to having to set up earlier.
If you do have the luxury of two tracks (really three; one for warm ups) and want to maximize spectators' ability to watch you can offset start times by 45 minutes to an hour as Slaughter County did at Wild West. At that event we switched from bout to bout, often chosing to skip the last 15 minutes of a blow out to catch the bout on the other track. I think a bigger problem with two tracks is noise carry over, especially refs' whistles.
Two track tourneys tend towards terrible trickiness.
The quarterfinal bouts could be run on two tracks at the same time on Friday, then run the semifinals on one track on Saturday, and the finals on one track on Sunday.
So that basically doubles the cost of Friday's rental. Or more, by limiting one's choice of venues to places with two big rooms with bleachers you kind of limit your choice of venues rather severely, which would likely increase the costs of Saturday and Sunday's rentals as well.
It's not an ideal solution, but it may be doable. It would just limit the number of leagues who could host the Championships, because not everyone has access to a venue large enough to hold two tracks. And it would also limit the ability of spectators to see every bout, but that might be worth it if it will allow worthy wildcard teams a shot at the championship.
It would also double the Friday staffing requirements, and have key people (oh say the awesome Games Chair) unable to watch every bout. Thing to keep in mind, a lot fewer people are available to staff derby events on Fridays than Saturdays and Sundays. As this is the international championship you're talking about, they try to have the best refs and NSOs that are available.
Two tracks works far better for an MBE (multi-bout event, like ECDX or WWS) than it does for a tournament. They can arrange for just the teams that are available to play on Friday. In a tournament pretty much everyone who doesn't have a bye needs to be there at the same time.
Wildcards voted in? Yuck.
This is the one thing I currently find lacking in WFTDA: the fact that voting determines who gets to play for the title. (I also feel the same way about the BCS, though I don't honestly follow college football very closely.) I realize it's not currently feasible (or, at least, that's what I'm told), but I long for the day when teams legitimately play their way into the championship tournament series via head-to-head competition.
I can't imagine having four large tournaments to determine who gets to play for nationals, then putting it up to a vote to see who fills out the field. I'm not saying that WFTDA voting is currently tainted by popularity (in fact, so far it seems to be very much on the up-and-up), but having a vote leaves it open to that sort of discrepancy.
A wildcard system "similar to what the NFL uses" would be based strictly on records.
I agree
I got caught up thinking about the 16 teams and didn't see the vote-in comment. You could easily do this though, either by having it predetermined by record (preferred) or by seedings entering the tournament, or any number of other statistical measures. But again, records would be best. May be feasible too, especially at the regional level, to see head-to-head results as another potential measure.
Yuck? I agree, but...
A wildcard system "similar to what the NFL uses" would be based strictly on records.
Notice that I said "similar to" and not "the same as." I absolutely agree that it would be preferable to go by record instead of by voting, but I don't think that's feasible until the WFTDA season becomes more standardized. There is currently not much continuity in how league's schedule their bouts, so it would be difficult to do a head-to-head record comparison between teams with any objectivity. As exhibit A, I point to the monthly disputes about rankings on DNN.
Agreed.
I absolutely agree that it would be preferable to go by record instead of by voting, but I don't think that's feasible until the WFTDA season becomes more standardized.
Agreed. I don't think it's that big of a stretch to make it more standardized, but I understand that WFTDA isn't currently moving in that direction.
Since the rankings are
Since the rankings are strictly by votes now per region, you would be calling into question the entire current ranking system.
Records are a problem. Win/loss doesn't work, because there are so many teams that aren't at the same skill level. Win/loss/spread doesn't work for the same reason.
DNN Power Rankings, though? Select the 4 from teams that don't make the cut from the Power Rankings...an "outside authority" with an 80% success rate at picking winners? That seems perfectly reasonable.
Only problem with that could potentially be the embarrassment of SDDD's exclusion if they're next in line.
Right
I think everyone has stated that it would definitely need to be a more uniform effort on WFTDA's part before that could take place. I definitely agree that the disparity among teams keeps that from happening right now. In five years? No matter the method, I think expansion to 16 would be a good thing for the tournament.
A selection commitee? that's an outrage!
LOL
This is NCAA bracketology. Each region only has one (1) guaranteed seed. SO that is the (4) #1s in each bracket. Then a selection commitee who has in depth knowledge of the the teams watch video of teams from the top #25 teams who have a chance to grab a 5-12 spot. Then the selections come out.
But the work isnt over. Now you have to seed them and place them in the brackets. One and out (but can be ranked due to placement, I know its lame due to travel expenses)
Best #1 seed (#1 overall), the weakest #2 seed (#8 overall), the best #3 seed (#9 overall)
2nd #1 seed (#2 overall), the next weakest #2 seed (#7 overall), the next best #3 seed (#10 overall)
3rd #1 seed (#3 overall), the next weakest #2 seed (#6 overall), the next best #3 seed (#11 overall)
4th #1 seed (#4 overall), the next weakest #2 seed (#5 overall), the next best #3 seed (#12 overall)
next thing. Jet City Beat Tucson by 100pts and Montreal lost to Tucson by 9, within the last 6 months. hmm Jet City not being in the top 25 is an outrage. *stomp, stomp stomp*
ok I'm done, Top #10 gets my seal of approval!
Extremely unlikely
DNN Power Rankings, though? Select the 4 from teams that don't make the cut from the Power Rankings...an "outside authority" with an 80% success rate at picking winners? That seems perfectly reasonable..
Oh Lord. These are controversial enough as it is ... you wanna take away our only fig leaf by removing our ability to remind people they are unofficial?
Although I am very excited about the prospects for bribery when the opinions of three dudes with laptops actually carry real-world weight. Caribbean cruises paid for by Tampa Bay ... overseas fact-finding missions underwritten by London... it's a good thing we are so morally upright and incorruptible.
Seriously, though, even if this were to be proposed, which I seriously doubt it would (WFTDA: By the bloggers, for the bloggers, always!) I think we'd probably beg off. The real world has plenty of existing examples of how badly things get screwed up when the government and media collude too closely.
wildfires for wildcard!
Vote san Diego wildfires for wildcard in 2010! Woo hoo! Our only loss all season long has been to Bay Area by three pts in the last minute during a power jam! We rule!
Born to Be Wild...
I second the living crap out of this suggestion... how do I get to vote early and vote often? I'll stuff the hell out of that ballot box...
The SDDD Contingency
Apples to non-WFTDA apples.
Only problem with that could potentially be the embarrassment of SDDD's exclusion if they're next in line.
The only thing here is that we are talking about an organizational tournament of member leagues. As opposed to DNN who looks at All Modern Roller Derby. Like including a CFL league in the NFL playoff games.
It's the same sport, and maybe those teams are good enough to be in the tournament, but it's just not how it works.
BTW, I really love that DNN includes all the teams in this ranking, and had London listed (before they were a member as well) and so on. This is the only national sports ranking that isn't just focused on one organization. (the BCS poll doesn't include NFL teams, and there isn't a foot ball ranking that I know of that lists a college team in the ranks of the NFL and so on) so it give a non-traditional comparison.
I'm not trying to stir up a stink, but membership is the 1st qualifying requirement for WFTDA Regional and Championship tournament participation, before rank. So it's not an embarrassment, it's just how it is. And that is good, bad or ugly, depending on your perspective.
There ya go...
... draggin' reality into this... boooo... =)
It's not like they didn't
It's not like they didn't apply. At the time their FT:BT ration was greater than 75%.
I know there...
...is more to it then that. I am not an expert on The Subject (few are) but I have heard there are other factors that need to be addressed. I have offered to sponsor the whole hearing (food, booze, notaries, etc) with all necessary parties... would be well worth it to me to see the SDDD in WFTDA! I know it could be worked out (I firmly believe derby folk are the most creative and hardworking minds out there) but I am sure it would be a bit of an undertaking.
Totally not trying to drag up...
that Subject here.
I think SDFT would be very competitive in the tournament if that day comes.
Just pointing out the reality of the current situation.
surprises
Every year there is a surprise. Every year a team has made it to nationals that wasn't supposed to. Every year someone upset someone in the tournament. We don't know that there will be blow out after blow out. Sure there will probably be a few, but wait and see. No one trains to lose. Teams get cocky. Teams get a kick in the butt during the season and work harder. Only one team has finished in the top four more than once in the WFTDA Championships. (Texas) There has always been a shift. Will there be one again this year? It's going to be fun finding out.
Agreed, but...
It's disappointing to think that if these standings were accurately reflected in regional tournament play that 3 of the top 10 teams would not go to nationals
On the one hand I agree it's disappointing. On the other hand, this is nothing new. Up until yesterday, the three best records in the American League in baseball were all in the same division, which means that if the season ended yesterday then two of the four teams in the AL playoffs would've had worse records than a team that didn't make it. As much as the purist in me wishes this kind of thing didn't happen, there's also a part of me that thinks this just makes things more dramatic and exciting.
Nonetheless, if it remained
Nonetheless, if it remained East/West, this would be much less of a problem. For many teams, the travel distances involved would have been shorter for challenging matches against teams from other regions.
If it were East/West with 6 leagues from each going to Champs, you'd have a much more realistic chance of sorting the best leagues in WFTDA roller derby today.
The goal of giving many more teams a chance to play in Regionals, comes directly at the expense of some of the best teams in the country from the East and West.
The current system reminds me of Harrison Bergeron (look it up).
Kurt Vonnegut FTW!
Nonetheless, if it remained East/West, this would be much less of a problem. For many teams, the travel distances involved would have been shorter for challenging matches against teams from other regions.
If it were East/West with 6 leagues from each going to Champs, you'd have a much more realistic chance of sorting the best leagues in WFTDA roller derby today.
The goal of giving many more teams a chance to play in Regionals, comes directly at the expense of some of the best teams in the country from the East and West.
The current system reminds me of Harrison Bergeron (look it up).
I completely agree. I know it seems futile, but I really do hope that the WFTDA does SOMETHING to address the fact that both the East & West are so heavily stacked with great teams. The West more so than the East, given that 5 of the DNN Top Ten are Western Region teams.
Also, awesome reference!
DNN makes my day
Next time another schlub asks me why I love derby so much, I'm citing this thread. No one drops a Vonnegut reference when discussing the World Cup or the Tour de France.
And I love derby because I
And I love derby because I can drop a reference like that and I know at least two people will get it :)
So not fiction
Totally want to write something that supports this, but I really don't have to. :(
All athletes practice to win, and better athletes win, but amazing athletes bring home championships. On the other side of the coin some athletes are not good at anything else but winning.. but everyone is good at something, so don't try to make everyone good at everything.
-Geno
YEAH, DC!!!!!
WOOT WOOT!!!!!
xoxoxo,
me
Awww ...
Thanks LQ! And WOOT! backatchya for moving up ---again!
Agreed!
Woot! is right. :) Y'all looked HAWT at ECE and I'm sore as all hell from scrimmaging against ya ladies last night! :)
-Xena
Me too!
I luv playin with the boys and you, too ;) ... and I'm sore as heck, but totally worth it. And ... I'm jealous that LQ got a Phat t-shirt from you!
Oly
"At this point, until Oly gets beaten, it looks like they're the team to beat."
I am glad you have finally come to this conclusion though. Love Oly or hate em, that sentence doesn't get any more true than it is right now. Although you could lose the "it looks like" part. :)
That quote is also a sweet-assed tautology.
I blew fizzy water through my nose when I read, "At this point, until Oly gets beaten, it looks like they're the team to beat."
In fairness, though, sports are hard to write about, and I appreciate the effort the folks make here.
Everyone's a critic :(
I'll give you "inelegantly phrased" but I don't think that qualifies as a tautology. At various points this season, Brewcity, Nashville and San Diego were undefeated, but that fact alone didn't make them "the team to beat."
You are correct, though, that writing about sports occasionally results in some absurdities. Dirty Marty often reminds me that I spend a great deal of my life writing about people skating in circles, which is a good way of keeping perspective on everything.
Had not intended to induce a frownie.
And thanks for the additional explanation.
Now get out there and have a nice day, goddamnit!
i think it is a tautology.
now here's the question: does Justice get more angry when his ranking choice, or word choice, gets challenged?
perhaps it was intentional parallelism.
like, When Bay Area upset San Diego, San Diego was mighty upset.
haha I'm tired of skating in circles. Time to make circular arguments a sport!
Just cause it's early and I'm cranky
and I like arguing with Dahmer ... a tautology woulda been "Until Oly loses, they will remain undefeated." The original sentence probably should have been have been "Until Oly loses, they appear to have a lock on #1," which would have saved me from the need to make these two combative and defensive posts.
Also, I never get angry when challenged, just regretful that not everybody immediately recognizes my magnificence.
Listen Up...
"The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club"
http://xkcd.com/703/
xkcd on DNN
Patricide wins the internet.
thank god they figured it out lol
now that top 25 looks great!
WTH?!?
Last month there was mention of the No Coast Derby team in the "On the Rise" section. They are undefeated....beat Omaha...a team that is supposed to be pretty good and now this month...no mention of them at all. Are they going to have to go into regionals and win outright for them to get an appearance in the top 25?
Nonsense
Just because two teams who were mentioned in the last months "On the rise" section play one another and end in a narrow point differential does not give you an appearance to the top 25. Who has No Coast beaten in the top 25 to even deserve such? No one. Furthermore, the "undefeated" season they have been touting is not even true. The lost to both Tampa just narrowly and were stomped by Atlanta (#20) by 167 points at the Clover Cup.
They played a great game to Omaha, but just beating one team who is "pretty good" doesn't give you a shoe in the Power Rankings. They will bring it in Regionals and hopefully have a chance to prove if they can take down some of the other higher ranked SC teams.
No Coast
Last month there was mention of the No Coast Derby team in the "On the Rise" section. They are undefeated....beat Omaha...a team that is supposed to be pretty good and now this month...no mention of them at all. Are they going to have to go into regionals and win outright for them to get an appearance in the top 25?
No Coast is not undefeated Atlanta and Tampa beat them in Dallas this year.
More No Coast
Last month there was mention of the No Coast Derby team in the "On the Rise" section. They are undefeated....beat Omaha...a team that is supposed to be pretty good and now this month...no mention of them at all. Are they going to have to go into regionals and win outright for them to get an appearance in the top 25?
No Coast is not undefeated Atlanta and Tampa beat them in Dallas this year.
Not to mention these 2 defeats are the only 2 teams they've played that would currently qualify for regionals/playoffs. The "quality win" mentioned was against a 12th ranked team, Omaha. Their best win may actually be against newly wftda-minted Chicago Outfit.
Nothing to ashamed about, but doesn't appear top 25 material either.
It was a very narrow win too
It was a very narrow win too --- 114-110.
ok...so I was wrong.
Last month there was mention of the No Coast Derby team in the "On the Rise" section. They are undefeated....beat Omaha...a team that is supposed to be pretty good and now this month...no mention of them at all. Are they going to have to go into regionals and win outright for them to get an appearance in the top 25?
No Coast is not undefeated Atlanta and Tampa beat them in Dallas this year.
Not to mention these 2 defeats are the only 2 teams they've played that would currently qualify for regionals/playoffs. The "quality win" mentioned was against a 12th ranked team, Omaha. Their best win may actually be against newly wftda-minted Chicago Outfit.
Nothing to ashamed about, but doesn't appear top 25 material either.
ok...I stand corrected. I was unaware of those two losses. I asked one of the derby girls and she said that they are only undefeated at home. I heard from others that they were "undefeated" minus the only at home part....so that's what I was going off of. I was wrong...either misinformed or misheard...but I was wrong. lol..oh well won't matter come October when the regionals are in Lincoln. the AT HOME (gonna make sure I say that correctly) win streak will continue and the No Coasters will end up on top. =)
Justice Feelgood Marshall
We don't exactly keep a Secret Unpublished List of slots 26-50 or anything, so it's hard to answer your question beyond what we said in the intro article. That being said, we come up with the rankings by each one of us making a separate list and then comparing and reconciling them, and Jet did debut on one of them, so we're definitely very aware of them ... they just haven't played a top 25 team other than Duke, so it's hard to for them to win their way in right now (I think Montreal and London are the only teams on here without a win over a top 25 team, based mostly on their level of dominance over sub-25 teams.)
Just playing devils advocate, but not taking in Philly/Rose closed door game into consideration but still placing London over teams who worked very hard to get where they were based on...what..two games over non 25 teams, a closed door scrimmage with gotham and games against two intraleague teams? It just don't seem right, especially when I consider both Montreal and London to be fairly evenly matched, yet montreal is ranked much lower. I think London should drop a few more then just one spot, no?
Not being a dick because I'm from 'the other london team', I just see it as a bit strange.
And Congrats to Oly on well deserved #1 (finally!)
Also, Detroit has been 12 for like, EVER. Just weird thing I noticed ^,^
Using London logic
We don't exactly keep a Secret Unpublished List of slots 26-50 or anything, so it's hard to answer your question beyond what we said in the intro article. That being said, we come up with the rankings by each one of us making a separate list and then comparing and reconciling them, and Jet did debut on one of them, so we're definitely very aware of them ... they just haven't played a top 25 team other than Duke, so it's hard to for them to win their way in right now (I think Montreal and London are the only teams on here without a win over a top 25 team, based mostly on their level of dominance over sub-25 teams.)
Just playing devils advocate, but not taking in Philly/Rose closed door game into consideration but still placing London over teams who worked very hard to get where they were based on...what..two games over non 25 teams, a closed door scrimmage with gotham and games against two intraleague teams? It just don't seem right, especially when I consider both Montreal and London to be fairly evenly matched, yet montreal is ranked much lower. I think London should drop a few more then just one spot, no?
Not being a dick because I'm from 'the other london team', I just see it as a bit strange.
And Congrats to Oly on well deserved #1 (finally!)
Also, Detroit has been 12 for like, EVER. Just weird thing I noticed ^,^
Hmm, using all that logic for London's ranking come September look out for Jacksonville to break in about #22 or so. 2 wins over WFTDA non-top 25 teams & 1 win over a fairly stacked WFTDA league home team in less then a month's time should be good enough eh?
Not too keen on this phrasing
placing London over teams who worked very hard to get where they were
Regardless of where London are placed or where you think they should be placed, wouldn't you agree they have also worked hard? LRG would love the opportunity to have as full (and as successful) a schedule of sanctioned games as Montreal, but alas, that transatlantic geographical handicap means that until someone wins the lottery or something, LRG's rankings are going to have to be extrapolated from a minimal amount of bouts.
I cannot express...
...just how utterly frustrating it is to be a London Rollergirl at this particular moment in time.
YES, we know some people got p---d off about our ranking, and we would LOVE the chance to continue proving our worth - we are hardly avoiding it. We are not asking for a ranking on a golden platter...we are trying our damndest to get some games. But people ain't exactly beating down our door to fly over every month. We accept that, but there isn't much we can do about it. We just gotta keep trying to make it happen, and hopefully next year qualify for regionals so we can make our mark.
But agree with Duncan here: to suggest that others worked hard to get ranked and therefore imply we didn't is just really not cool. Hooli - you havent even seen Brawling play since we won Roll Britannia (when your old league also competed)...that was a year ago. We work damn hard all the time.
Hey if we drop off the DNN power rankings because we just can't get enough games, so be it - we know we will be back so we ain't worried if someone else gets some glory meanwhile. The point of our East Coast tour was not to become DNN darlings (that's what the bribe was for!) -- it was to gain experience, hopefully win some games, and to show the rest of the world that International Derby is here and competitive. I think we accomplished that.
Happy to be the bleeding edge that causes these arguements to come up. Trust me, we won't be the last. There are plenty of other international leagues nipping at the heels and ready to break out (VRDL?)...and they are going to have just as much trouble, if not more, getting enough of those games to make people "comfortable" with a ranking.
I have watched the texas game
I have watched the texas game on DNN.
Again, DO feel you deserve a spot here, just a tad lower is all. Not saying at all you havent worked hard, that is evident to anyone who follows derby. I just DO think that other teams ranked below who yes, do have the advantage of being this side of the atlantic, have spent alot of time, effort and money in working on their rankings. Unfortunate about that ocean and all. But maybe they feel slighted as some of their games arn't considered when exceptions are made for others.
ESPECIALLY when you consider that the distance from LA to new york is almost the same as london to new york (around 3000 mi) (or from portland to philly)
I think montreal should do some heavy fundraising to get to London as not only would that be a good game, but I think a)Montreal would love partying in London b) I think your two teams would get along quite well. Maybe this could happen next year as you both work to dominate the east. (as I don't see the euro region getting together by next year)
oops, must correct myself,
oops, must correct myself, that is driving distance
2462 miles actualy distance LA to new york
2983 miles actual distance from london to new york
2404 miles actual distance from Portland to Philly
Still puts things in perspective for ya. Also probably why Terminal City rarely plays Montreal.
Its frekkin big countries over here, distance is a problem for alot of people playing at a high level.
yes well
if only they priced plane tickets on the actual miles...then you might be in biz.
My ticket to the east coast cost $530 with a group rate. My mom's from LA cost $299.
That's not the important thing here
oops, must correct myself, that is driving distance
2462 miles actualy distance LA to new york
2983 miles actual distance from london to new york
2404 miles actual distance from Portland to Philly
Still puts things in perspective for ya. Also probably why Terminal City rarely plays Montreal.
Its frekkin big countries over here, distance is a problem for alot of people playing at a high level.
Bette is American (as am I), so I'm sure she understands that the US is big!
However, that's not really the point here. While it is far from New York to LA or Portland or Philly, US leagues don't have to travel that far just to get a game*. For London Rollergirls, near 3000 miles is the minimum we have to travel in order to play a game*. Every single time we want a game*, at least 3000 miles have to be traveled. That's different from the situation for US leagues, because at least some of their games* will be with teams that are closer than 3000 miles away. None of our games* can be.
We're not saying that we can never play--we've already played 4 US teams in 2010. It's just not going to happen every month, just like US teams are quite unlikely to be traveling 3000 mi every month.
(*games that would be taken into consideration in rankings, that is--we do have nearby leagues but games against them would not affect our power ranking.)
On a similar comment, a
On a similar comment, a round-trip flight from Montreal to London will cost over three times the price as one from LA, CA to Burling VT.
I even looked it up, for fun.
I can't complain as much though, we Canadians can at least drive to away games, assuming we don't get turned away at the border.
I just hope this idea of making a "Canadian Region" get scrapped.
Examples?
What specific instances do you have in mind when you say "some of their games arn't considered when exceptions are made for others"? Are you implying that there is some sort of bias at work here?
WHAT?! ITS AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU!!
Not a bias, but it was interesting that because no one saw it and it was closed door that philly and rose city game was not counted (see first chunk of comments). I wonder what others arn't being counted either, as I do not do these rankings I wouldn't know.
Oh boy I DO love debating rankings! Iz be trollin'!
Everything counts in large amounts
Not a bias, but it was interesting that because no one saw it and it was closed door that philly and rose city game was not counted (see first chunk of comments).
(The subject line actually completely contradicts what I'm about to say, but I just really wanted to use it)
To be clear, it wasn't just because it was closed, it was because since it was a practice scrimmage, there was no way of knowing whether or not it reflected on how the teams would do if they were playing with something on the line. For an example of a similar situation in a public sanctioned game, some may remember Philly / Charm from last year, where Charm smoked Philly but we didn't take it into account for rankings because of how different that particular Philly roster was. I believe there was also a Madison / Detroit game between Regionals and Nationals last year where Detroit won by a million billion points but we considered it an outlier due to a seriously short Madison roster.
We generally try to avoid setting hard and fast rules for our ranking methodology because there's always some weird circumstance that falls outside strict rules. But so far the "know it when you see it" method for determining which results are relevant and which are statistical noise has kept the rankings fairly accurate, at least in terms of generating fairly few upsets.
one more time, with feeling
nevermind.
FWIW, IMHO, it's important to
FWIW, IMHO, it's important to remember that DNN rankings aren't always about who's played who, W-L records, score differentials or all the rest of the solid data that may or may not be available when weighing teams against each other. Sometimes it's about watching even one game and pointing to the pack and saying "look, that's advanced play right there; not every team can pull that off" or "these jammers are fantastic and will punch through the average defense with ease". Just because Team A hasn't played Team B doesn't mean there's no basis for ranking them against one another. Sometimes it's about having seen a metric buttload of roller derby and knowing the best when we see it, data be damned.
and that right there...
is why DNN will stick to their track record and do it how they want.
And this is why I love DNN
AMEN
Glad to hear it
(Despite replying to Gnosis's post, this is directed to anyone else reading it)
Ages ago I got pounced on by both JFM and Hurt for accusing them of doing too much of the former and not enough of the latter. I learned that the problem is that in those short descriptions it's usually just easier to point to those numbers than it is to describe like Gnosis said.
So, thanks DNN for looking past the insufficient numbers. Feel free to justify your decisions with those sorts of descriptions as much as you'd like... I trust (most of) your assessments.
The Buzz
going around is that I would to like to see a matchup of Montreal vs Steel City at Regionals as Im sure a lot of other people would like to see that as well. Our "no-win" over a top 25 team has been met with a pretty good points against ( 50ish Charm and Boston) with a loss to Nashville at the beginning of the year to Nashville ( 88-111)
having said that we are really looking forward to Yonkers in September.
I think that game would be
I think that game would be amazeballs!
Charm 159, Montreal 57...
I only cite this score so I can point out that you are engaging in in REVisionist history. Bam! I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress, but don't tip her over.
I also agree that Steel City v Montreal is way way up there in bouts I would like to see happen.
miles
We need more AirMiles to get higher in the rankings
That's a zinger
But try not to get him too Rev'd up
future oly bouts
actually oly is playing jet i think on 8/13 (closed bout)and i believe about 3 other bouts wich are closed also in august and sept. you know oly likes to keep things on the down low really why dont you think bouts are not broadcasted and the scedule is not out there for everyone to see...the ellement of suprise and you cant study them if you cant see them!
shhh
you know oly likes to keep things on the down low really why dont you think bouts are not broadcasted and the scedule is not out there for everyone to see...the ellement of suprise and you cant study them if you cant see them!
Yeah, because
Oly having the fastest skaters on the planet is totally a secret kept between them, everyone who went to nationals last year, and everyone who has followed derby for the past year and a half. Don't tell no one, k?
Oly? Oly? Oly?
Who? Who? Who?
Yay
Woot woot
Steel City vs. Montreal
we would LOVE to play that game!
Steel City - Montreal - London
We would love to make that a threesome.
Steel City-Montreal- London
Stop talking, lets do it!!
Get me a mic
I wanna call those bouts.
Oly v Jet City
Thats on the 18th of July!!!!!
HI
*EDIT*
Posted something in the wrong place.
Would like to take this opportunity to say that I just love talking about derby rankings.
WHAT??? IT'S AN OUTRAGE I
WHAT??? IT'S AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU!!!
Oh jeez! Come on.
The Rose and Philly SCRIMMAGE was for Fun! It was a SCRIMMAGE and it was a PRACTICE! Don't call it a bout or a game. Newer refs also got a chance to ref that SCRIMMAGE so we also should take that into consideration. WAIT! NO!
Lets not take anything into consideration! It was for FUN!
We are always underestimated and guess what? I like it that way. Yeah, Rose was just as tired as us, but we also dedicated over 8 hours a day that weekend volunteering to make that event happen.Whatever, no excuses. There doesn't need to be excuses because it WAS NOT A GAME!
So....GET OVER IT!
Phewww!
Power rankings are awesome! The best part is seeing the "upsets".
Philly is awesome, we are a jungle and we are only improving every game, just like many teams are now.
Also, giving less experienced chartered skaters play time, only makes the team stronger like someone said earlier.
Philly is preparing for tournament season. We are ranked 4th, and that is sooooo cool, we will hopefully prove you all that DNN is right.
Thank DNN, for all that you do!
Shenita Stretcher
I enter into evidence: Item
I enter into evidence:
Item A
http://citypaper.net/articles/2009/09/24/philly-roller-girls
what is this evidence of?
other than really shitty, inaccurate reporting?
that even sanctioned games
that even sanctioned games don't matter.
we're talking about this still?
...that the game was almost a YEAR ago makes it not matter.
Correct,
none of it matters. Just to reiterate what Justice referenced by the GREAT Dirty Marty....on keeping perspective....that we are just a bunch of people who write about, read about, talk about and spend all of our extra money to skate around in a circle. And the longer we keep that humility the better, because the other end of that is watching our sport turn into competitive ice skating and all the nastiness that goes along with it.
Can
we start a DNN fundraiser to get the skids to London?
database?
Am I missing a scores database somewhere? Can't find Derbymatic, and breaking down the rankings is very tough from memory, or piles of scores listed by date only.
bout history
Not sure the rules on advertising other sites, but www.flattrackstats.com has a good database of scores. Their ranking system is as useful as refried dog crap. The bout history is very handy though.
giant love
We at DNN are huge fans of FlatTrackStats.com... definitely the best tools around for detailed analysis of WFTDA Sanctioned bouts.
Derbymatic, the database that drives DNN's score and bout listings, just went under the knife for a giant upgrade, which provides the schema undergirding necessary to track stats on a skater by skater, jam by jam basis. What's not done, though, is an adequate user interface for DM2, so it'll be a little bit before we're able to expose the data in Derbymatic to the general public again. Believe me, we can't wait... just a question of many priorities and limited resources.
... which, of course, is my cue to plug the DNN Fund Drive again :)
Yeah....talk about DISTANCE!
7,914 Miles from Melbourne, Australia to LA. 10,509 miles from Melbourne to London. SIGH!
YES!!! VRDL would LOVE to play Internationally or host International guests!!!! I guess the main difference is that out Top 4 Leagues over here in Oz/NZ are at a VERY similar level, in comparison to LRG's situation. So competitively, we do have eachother. The Great Southern Slam tourney was really a fantastic spotlight on Oz derby, and from the comments we have heard from our U.S guests at the tourney, our top teams are at 'Championships' level, which is really exciting. It made us feel like having the chance to play International derby was a real possibility. Why do we care? Why are we not happy with just playing within our region? Because we are one big family, and we really respect where we came from, and we want to share our common passion for this game.
However we are well aware of the distance issues and what that means realistically for Australia/New Zealand (Oceania). We would LOVE for U.S, Canadian or Euro teams to come visit and play us, but we understand it's just not possible every month. Though I would like to put it out there that when it's Northern Hemisphere Winter, it's SUMMER DOWN HERE!!! Yes, that is a formal invite!!!
Kitty DeCapitate
Victorian Roller Derby League
How about an "All-Pacific"
How about an "All-Pacific" Tournament in Hawaii? Kind of a "Meet in the Middle".
SOLD!
I'm there!!! Let's make it happen!!
What Kitty said...
Come visit us down under y'all!
stats
holy crap! thanks for the tip nash!
and as always, thank you too hurt!
I just have to say...
I just have to say that the release of DNN power rankings is my favorite day of the month! Not just for the rankings, but for the discussion, debate, and disagreements that go along with them. It's like waking up on christmas morning.
No kidding.
It's like waking up on christmas morning.
My older sister used to use a calculator to estimate what my presents cost versus hers. The constant kvetching about rankings tends to remind me of that. Though in this case, it'd be like her friends or boyfriends doing it.
Naked Bike Ride
I learn things on DNN.
I totally know what I'M organizing when I retire from derby someday.
SK808
Busta, they had a tournament in Hawaii in January (?) of 2010.... I think it was held on the 11th?
Part of having it there is the cost of flying there, and the cost of generally everything... it is an island (set of islands) which has to import almost everything... eek! Having a team of skaters (20) fly to the states is less expensive than sending multiple teams from anywhere on the west coast (ten teams, at least 20 members flying)... there are simply more teams in the contiguous US than any that would fly from alternate places (at the moment).
:)
August Power Rankings
I predict Windy City and Texas swap, but the rest of the Top 10 stays the same.
Bottom Five Action
Not necessarily, you can just flip Windy and Boston, but then again Boston was playing without Krushpuppy, so there may not be any movement.
But in July; Providence over Nashville, Tampa edges Dallas and Brewcity beats North Star, it's going to be very interesting with the below 20 group.
And Tampa was playing it's second game of the day versus Dallas' first game of the day.