Derby News Network Power Rankings - November 2009
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1 E | 2009 9-1 2008 10-4 |
11/14 vs [TBA] Winner of Bout 2 | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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2 E | 2009 6-1 2008 10-0 |
11/13 @ Detroit | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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1 NC | 2009 10-1 2008 12-4 |
11/14 @ [TBA] Winner of Bout 1 | Windy City holds at #3 with an expected defeat of #9 Rose City. | ||||
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1 SC | 2009 9-1 2008 10-4 |
11/14 @ [TBA] Winner of Bout 1 | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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1 W | 2009 9-0 2008 6-2 |
11/14 @ [TBA] Winner of Bout 2 | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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3 E | 2009 9-8 2008 9-2 |
11/13 @ Madison | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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2 W | 2009 5-5 2008 12-4 |
11/13 @ Houston | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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3 W | 2009 9-2 2008 4-8 |
11/13 @ Kansas City | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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5 W | 2009 5-3 2008 6-4 |
TBD | Rose City's 113-73 loss to #3 Windy City is consistent with their current #9 ranking, which they maintain. | ||||
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4 W | 2009 5-7 2008 3-3 |
3/26 vs Madison | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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4 E | 2009 13-5 2008 9-2 |
7/24 vs Denver | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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2 SC | 2009 9-3 2008 5-2 |
11/13 @ Denver | Apart from a 216-49 defeat of neighboring Springfield, KC was idle and maintains their current ranking. | ||||
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3 NC | 2009 8-4 2008 8-3 |
11/13 @ Gotham Girls | After losing in the North Central semifinals to Madison in a 107-95 nailbiter, Detroit answered with a devastating 275-76 home takedown of an admittedly short Dairyland Dolls roster. On the strength of that victory, the teams swap spots in the rankings. | ||||
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2 NC | 2009 7-3 2008 9-7 |
11/13 @ Boston | Madison drops one spot on their loss in Detroit. | ||||
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6 W | 2009 5-5 2008 13-3 |
TBD | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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7 W | 2009 5-8 2008 6-3 |
TBD | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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3 SC | 2009 6-2 2008 4-10 |
11/13 @ Rocky Mountain | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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4 SC | 2009 7-3 2008 3-8 |
TBD | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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4 NC | 2009 10-5 2008 12-7 |
TBD | Confoundingly inconsistent Cincinnati rises two rungs on their flat-track defeat of San Diego. | ||||
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5 E | 2009 4-8 2008 7-5 |
11/21 vs Dixie | Carolina's recent slide continues with an upset loss to unranked Minnesota. | ||||
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- | 2009 8-3 2008 5-7 |
TBD | While San Diego answered Cincinnati's relatively modest flat track victory with a 181-64 knockout on the banked track the following day, but the former bout gains more weight in our estimation due to the relative ubiquity of the geometry and ruleset used. | ||||
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6 NC | 2009 6-4 2008 2-5 |
TBD | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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5 NC | 2009 8-3 2008 6-0 |
TBD | No action, no movement since last month. | ||||
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9 NC | 2009 5-3 2008 7-7 |
TBD | After a one-month absence, Minnesota returns to the Power Rankings on the strength of their home upset of Carolina. | ||||
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5 SC | 2009 8-8 2008 3-3 |
TBD | Atlanta drops one spot on Minnesota's return. | ||||
| Key: | |
| E | WFTDA East region |
| W | WFTDA West region |
| NC | WFTDA North Central region |
| SC | WFTDA South Central region |
Comments
WHAT? IT'S AN OUTRAGE I TELL
WHAT? IT'S AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU!!!
Disclaimer
Let's get it in early this month!
Please remember that the rankings are not based on mathematically contrived approximations of wins, losses, and point differentials. Rankings are based on whom DNN thinks would beat whom if whom were to play whom on whatever day that DNN does the rankings. Also, keep in mind that DNN travels and lot and suffers from perpetual jet lag and dysphoria associated with anti-social behavior that is the result of techno-addiction.
Also, please remember that the team that a league fields is the team that played so that's the team that DNN ranks so don't ask to see the roster from the Water City game as a code for saying that so and so didn't play in that game so Water City would have totally killed Firetown because that is disrespectful to Water City and to the other thirteen players from Firetown.
Also, what else?
Oh, yeah... "Confoundingly inconsistent Cincinnati..." Very funny, Justice. Ha-Ha. :P
though we usually keep a united front on this stuff
... I'll take credit/blame for the "counfoundingly" statement.
WFTDA Western Rankings
I think there's some error in the WFTDA Rankings column for the Western teams. Rocky Mountain is still listed as #8 and there are two #1's.
crap
While I was hustling these out the door, I totally neglected to go back and update the WFTDA rankings. I'll fix that now, thanks for pointing it out!
Sorry bout that
I didn't mean to rush you guys. I was just having fun with the meta-outrage.
As for the Minnesota entry, MNRG's next IL bout is against Hammer City on 11/21 and then against Sioux Falls on 12/19.
Lets Go Boston!
I cant wait to see Boston this weekend. Good Luck!
Is it my browser?
All I see is "While San Diego answered Cincinnati's relatively flat track victory with a 181-64 knockout on the banked track the following day,"
... and no way to find out what ELSE you guys had to say. Don't leave me hanging!!
It is not your browser
I got distracted by something shiny halfway through writing that blurb, and left it hanging. Fixed now.
It's almost like our attention is focused elsewhere this week :)
tr00f
It's almost like our attention is focused elsewhere this week :)
heh.
Rankings.. we don't need no stinking rankings
At this point in the season the only ranking that will mean anything will be the December rank after Nationals.....January, we start all over again.....yay!!!!!!!!!!
can i just say...Rat City not
can i just say...Rat City not making to to nationals this year seems even more insane to me now, since their losses were to the new national champions and Denver, who came in third. I can't WAIT for next year!!
Totally Agree!!!
It was painful watching a Nationals without Rat City in it. Rat City's sin was losing to the # 1 amd 3 teams in the National tournie, and we all know they are fully capable of engineering their own upsets.
Rankings underestimate the West
For that matter, with all due respect to teams like Houston who worked very hard to get to Nationals and derbied honorably - I mean I have all the respect in the world for any of you who can roll at these levels, in a way, you are all awesome, but there were teams at Nationals that were simply not in the same class as Rat City, Rose City, the BAD girls, or Duke City -- whose opening bout against Oly at Westerns looks pretty damn good, in light of subsequent events.
And no way are the BAD girls 15th and Rat 10th best in the Nation. The entire DNN power ratings totally underestimates the power on the West Coast. For that matter, I'd like to see if Atlanta could beat, say, Orange County or Angel City, let alone a ranked West Coast team. And the real championship final in Philly was the Oly-Gotham bout - Gotham is the only team that has been able to roll with Oly head-to-head all year. In my mind they're #2.
Ahem
Gotham is the only team that has been able to roll with Oly head-to-head all year. In my mind they're #2.
March 21, 2009: Oly Rollers 157, Rose City Rollers 151.
You should have seen it. A hellacious bout.
The Oly Triangulation
Oly over Denver by 2 4/11/09
Oly over Rose by 6 3/21/09
Oly over Gotham by 31 11/14/09
Oly over Rat by 37 10/3/09
Oly over RMRG by 55 10/4/09
Oly over Duke by 73 10/2/09
Oly over Texas by 78 10/15/09
Oly over Denver by 87 10/14/09
The Oly Triangulation says Rose, Rat, BAD and maybe even Duke should have been playing in Nationals. Crazy talk, huh. LOL
The Oly triangulation also
The Oly triangulation also simultaneously says that Denver should probably be the #2 seed AND not qualify for nationals at all.
*sarcasm*
The Oly triangulation also simultaneously says that Denver should probably be the #2 seed AND not qualify for nationals at all.
Any given Friday, Saturday, Sunday ..huh.
I DON'T see Gotham falling out of the top 5 is all I am saying. And I DO see more WEST teams represented in the TOP 10. If not take 3 out top 5 spots. Gotham, Texas, RMRG, Denver and OLY are the top 5 with Philly definitely being an argument at the next DNN sit down to stay in the top 5.
As a WA state derby guy. Philly and Charm are one of my favorite to watch on video. I am so lucky to have Rat, Rose, and Oly in my triangulation. But I envy Denver fans to have RMRG and DRD. Hell I would know what colors to wear, its like the crips and the bloods there. *WOW*
Wow
Maybe your WFTDA rep should introduce a motion to dismiss the results from Nationals and just use the results from Derby on the Rocks as this years national rankings.
I bet you could get at least two votes on that one.
I concur.
I couldn't agree more. I was not so thrilled about the match-ups at regionals. I was excited for weeks before though at the chance I see that match-up happen. And it did. And I was very happy. It was a great showing by Gotham.
In the end- the rankings don't mean much
But quibbling aside, this nationals were totally awesome, the bouts were fabulously good, and Oly, a very small town, winning and doing it with such speed and skill and the skill and quality of the bouts this last weekend is the best thing that could happen at this time for this sport- now every team from every little berg on the planet can dream of taking it all ... great for the fans, great for the teams, great for recruitment, great for the future. Love to you all!!!!
So excited to be going to Minnesota!
The Hammer City Roller Girls are thrilled to be going to Minnesota to play not one but two top 25 this weekend. Looking forward to meeting the MNRG and NSRG skaters!
Two days left til HCRG comes to Minnesota
Minnesota welcomes the Hammer!
I do not believe, however, that you can depend on our announcers to forego Dr Horrible and M.C. Hammer asides.
Best.
-Garrison Killer
Big, no HUGE thanks to the MNRG and NSRG for breaking us in!
We had such a blast in MN this past weekend. Thank you so much for the amazing games and hospitality! So sad we couldn't win the after party this weekend......will have to try harder next time ;).
xoxo Perky Set
After-party reporting at it's finest.
Pleased to report that the Atomic Bombshells - represented by Boombay Safire and debuting MNRG all-star Diamond Rough - won the O'Gara's afterparty. Fargo's derby visitors tried their best, but were at last knocked out by Pythagorean Smear'Em. Smear'em took one for the team, valiantly leaving in defeat to give the interlopers a ride home.
If anyone wishes to wrest the crown from Boom and D, I suggest that they take it up with them.
I'm looking forward to watching a lot more of the Northern Hammer.
Thanks to you Hammer City
It was great hosting you! Happy to win the afterparty and was delighted to say the least to play in my first interleague bout. I'm sure if you ladies didn't have another bout in the morning the afterparty crown would have been fought over with far more rigor! Thanks again!
Diamond Rough
#1837
Minnesota RollerGirls
http://www.mnrollergirls.com/
Hammer
Go girls, give 'em Eh!!
Can't touch this............
snap.........
Triangulation-flawed
This doesn't work. It assumes that Oly didn't improve as a team as the season progressed. They were always great skaters, but they learned derby as the season headed into nationals-how to avoid penalties and pack control (I wonder where they picked that up?)
BTW: Oly rocks...I want a Hefer 2 TON air-brushed t-shirt!
Wow, I like this thread!
Congrats Oly! Congrats Texas! Congrats Denver! Congrats Rocky Mountain! Philly, Windy, Gotham, it's always a pleasure to see you play. Boston and Madison, way to start the tourney off right with a hell of an exciting bout. You were all fabulous to watch at the national tournament. Many of us aspire to be like you, and don't worry, we were watching and taking notes! DNN, thanks for bringing us all the action. I was seriously so impressed by this year's tourney.
Can't wait to see the next set of rankings, but even more so, I can't wait to see what next year has in store for derby!
I totally agree
Flat track derby rocks. For me, the bottom line is: this years post-season Regional and nationals tournaments were incredibly good.
Flat track has definitely hit a new maturity. The depth of play in ALL these teams at this level is just phenomenal and I admire every skater out there who has been able to get to that level. The standard to get into the top 20 has now become very tough. It is totally wonderful that small towns can get there and a relatively modest-sized city can send two teams into the highest echelon.
I posted on here weeks before nationals that the bout I was looking forward to and hoped would transpire at Nat'ls was the Oly -Gotham bout - my regret [and obviously Gotham's] was that it would have to occur so early and not in a semi-final or final.
a technical note: a friend of mine who is into this kind of trivia, has calculated that the force of derby hits in the top-level bouts [since the force of a hit is mass TIMES velocity, and derby presents some fairly high velocities] regularly EXCEED the hitting force of NFL linebackers - and those guys fall on turf, not concrete. This guy also claims the impact force of hitting conrete is 5 times that of turf [in the early days of artificial turf, the NFL Players Assoc successfully lobbied to have extra padding added to the substrate of artrificial turf fields]. So according to this, compared to Derby girrls, the NFL is a bunch of softies ... but all us die-hard fans knew that a long time ago.
citations
a technical note: a friend of mine who is into this kind of trivia, has calculated that the force of derby hits in the top-level bouts [since the force of a hit is mass TIMES velocity, and derby presents some fairly high velocities] regularly EXCEED the hitting force of NFL linebackers - and those guys fall on turf, not concrete. This guy also claims the impact force of hitting conrete is 5 times that of turf [in the early days of artificial turf, the NFL Players Assoc successfully lobbied to have extra padding added to the substrate of artrificial turf fields]. So according to this, compared to Derby girrls, the NFL is a bunch of softies ... but all us die-hard fans knew that a long time ago.
Let's see the math, please.
ys plz
a technical note: a friend of mine who is into this kind of trivia, has calculated that the force of derby hits in the top-level bouts [since the force of a hit is mass TIMES velocity, and derby presents some fairly high velocities] regularly EXCEED the hitting force of NFL linebackers - and those guys fall on turf, not concrete. This guy also claims the impact force of hitting conrete is 5 times that of turf [in the early days of artificial turf, the NFL Players Assoc successfully lobbied to have extra padding added to the substrate of artrificial turf fields]. So according to this, compared to Derby girrls, the NFL is a bunch of softies ... but all us die-hard fans knew that a long time ago.
Let's see the math, please.
Yes please share.
Also, I want to counter the idea that falling on concrete is worst than AstroTurf, based on my vague recollection of Newton's laws of motion. Concrete vs AstroTurf alone seems like concrete would be worse, but you have to put in the big picture. In the big picture, its not just the surface we're falling onto, its what are hitting with. So I am a skater, an object in motion. I'm flying through the air. Gravity pulls me down and the only thing that will stop that motion is the floor. I hit the floor on the smooth plastic caps of my knee pads and wristguards which cannot grip the equally smooth floor. My momentum sends and it didn't really hurt because I kept moving so the force wasnt as blunt.
A football player falling onto astroturf just hits the floor, and the impact is completely blunt. There is negligible slide to lessen the blow. They also often have someone, idk, grabbing their leg, and multiple 200lbs+ people falling on top of them. They only slide if its snowy or rainy.
IDK, from my non-physicist perspective, I'd rather fall at shriners than gillette.
Ahem.
IDK, from my non-physicist perspective, I'd rather fall at shriners than gillette.
As a non-shaver (this time of year anyways) who wears a fez pretty regularly, I have to say that that is a lovely sentiment on your part, but I believe I'm already spoken for.
F=ma
Just to be clear.
Force does not equal mass x velocity. That's called momentum (mv).
Force does equal mass x acceleration which is related to mass x the differential with respect to time of velocity (mdv/dt).
You might also look into Impulse which is Force x time and is equal to change in momentum. The longer the time that the change in momentum takes, the less the force. Maybe more relevant.
Cheers,
Mr. OJ
High school physics is FUN.
Time to pipe in.. :)
< physics teacher >
Mr OJ is totally correct, on both accounts, but since Impulse is a strange concept, let's just talk about the change in momentum - or change in velocity - since we all should get the idea of speeding up and slowing down... :)
I am going to address the force of FALLING, not the force of HITTING, since there really isn't a way for me to quickly do the math there (I don't know the average velocity of a running back or of skaters right now).
The main idea here is that the LONGER it takes a body to come to a stop when it falls, the LESS force is applied to make it stop. This is pretty intuitive, right? Think about how much you brake if you have to stop when a ball/child/biker appears in front of you verses when you have a while to cruise to the red light up ahead.
So since we play on a smooth surface (i.e. NOT astroturf), and wear pads that have hard plastic parts, we SLIDE when we fall. That means it takes our bodies an extended period of time to come to a stop. Football players don't have the luxury of playing on a nice smooth surface, and they are much less likely to slide as they are taken down. So there's more force applied to them during the fall.
for the non-formula phobic:
p=mv (p = momentum)
change in p = m(change in v) (since changing mass DOESN'T happen at the speeds we are dealing with here) and change in p is the same in both cases.
change in p can also be expressed in terms of force and time. change in p = Ft, where F is the force that is being applied to the body in order to change its momentum, and t is the time that force is applied.
so since the change in p is a constant, if you change how long the force is applied, the strength of the force must change. Increase the time, the force decreases.
any questions?
< /physics teacher >
Just to be clear.
Force does not equal mass x velocity. That's called momentum (mv).
Force does equal mass x acceleration which is related to mass x the differential with respect to time of velocity (mdv/dt).
You might also look into Impulse which is Force x time and is equal to change in momentum. The longer the time that the change in momentum takes, the less the force. Maybe more relevant.
Cheers,
Mr. OJ
I knew there was a reason I
I knew there was a reason I got As in science.
smashing
With all due respect to derby girls, you just can't compare derby injuries to football injuries.
Derby girls might wrankle each others' knees periodically, and the knees might take a beating against the floor, and they might separate each shoulders' every once in a while, but derby girls aren't smashing straight down into each others' vertabrae multiple times a week.
This is REQUIRED reading for anyone in contact sports, or for anyone intrigued by the physics digression above, from the eminently excellent Malcolm Gladwell:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/19/091019fa_fact_gladwell?cur...
Glad you're doing the math
I'm really glad you all are doing the math. Like I said, I was just relaying the conclusions of a friend and personally wouldn't have the faintest idea of the physics\math. so I thought I'd post to see what you all thought. Personally, I agree with Anna Wrecksya's comment/description: in my youth I played both football and skated on concrete and I'd personally rather take the tumble as a fast moving skater on pads on concrete than on the football field, your momentum and the ability to slide almost seems to help redirect the impact of the fall, so Anna's explanation makes perfect sense to me.
Not to mention the issues brought up about football hits to the spine, head, lower body and knees, of which I've got two wrecked ones, both from sports, but neither from anything to do with skating. Besides flat-track derby has always, it seems to me, taken the issue of safety and injury prevention very seriously and has done things with a conscientiousness that is truly commendable. It's injury record - no matter how you measure it [hours played, per player, per year, etc.] is way better than even high school football, to the extent that metrics are available or obtainable.
It's an important issue- to be aware of contact sports and also the social issues- I've known more than a couple of derby girls who have been told by people that they shouldn't be doing this for the injury thing and by people who would easily turn around and say it was perfectly ok for their boys to be playing football. You know, the efing, sexist, hypocrisy thing ...
Carolina Correction
Carolina's next bout (11/21) is against Steel City. The Bootleggers (B team) are playing Dixie.
Is it true that the closer i
Is it true that the closer i approach Rice Rocket's jersey, the shorter i appear?
No.
You will appear the same height, only much, much thinner. I know what you're thinking: "instant diet!" Unfortunately, though, that's not the case... as you approach the jersey and become thinner, your mass simultaneously increases with a bound of infinity.
Unfortunately...
Only outside observers will see the changes Mr. Reynolds mentions. You'll just be looking in the mirror pondering the beautiful person you are and always have been.
You'll also have missed the early evolution of flat-track derby since by the time you come back derby will be an Olympic sport and London will be in the top 4 along with Texas, some team from Hungary, and some team from Japan...and that's if you make it back in less than 25 years Earth time - after that there's the hover-quad controversy, the IDA (Intergalactic Derby Association), and cloning of early flat-track all-star players and announcers...and so, so much more....
Cheers,
Mr. OJ
The horror, the horror
Clones of Dumptruck? Halloween is over, man!
I think the problem is...
Is it true that the closer i approach Rice Rocket's jersey, the shorter i appear?
I think the problem is that she tends to wear two of them.
I knew about the infinite
I knew about the infinite mass thing but it was bad for my self-esteem to contemplate.