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Having one of the best teams in derby not competing for the biggest prize in the sport diminishes it just a little.
If they willing choose not to be there, how does it diminish anything? The Hydra is still the Hydra and the 40 best WFTDA teams who want to play the game will compete for it.
Honestly, I never have been. Anytime I have even seen them has been at Regionals time (now Playoffs) except for one time at WWS. To me they seemed like a bunch of derbots. But now I realize it was because they were focused on the task at hand, which was winning. When you are playing the likes of Rose, Rat, Philly, Gotham, Bay Area, etc that is what you need to do. Last year seemed like it was going to be a turning point with the addition of the Haydens, Ecko, Stella Boracha, Lindsey Loblow and others. But then things happened and the band got back together for another run. Unfortunately, they didn't finish where they hoped to. Now they are looking like they may not qualify for playoffs at all. It can't be a money thing as I know of other leagues with meager resources that are managing to play a very competitive season this year in Div 1. Whatever the reason is, I really wish they would manage to get those two game in somehow before June 30th. As I said I am not the biggest Oly fan but not having them participate in Playoffs seems like something is missing. Having one of the best teams in derby not competing for the biggest prize in the sport diminishes it just a little. Hopefully they will be there but if not, despite whatever has happened in the past, I will miss them.
Cutsthroughthebulls**tMan.
Anyone with a facebook account can pretty well figure out what's up with Oly.
Just trowing this out there since "I know a few things about the Oly situation, though not the full picture. I'm not in a position to comment on them more directly. But…"...
As we all know, it takes a lot of hard work, time, and dedication to run a successful roller derby league. Each member has to do their part or the league suffers.
Oly has suffered. Not because of a lack of talent, but because of the sense of entitlement that sometimes comes with being so talented.
I know I'm not the only one who feels like the WFTDA let them get away with some shenanigans in the past, and they will probably get away with it this time too.
See ya in Milwaukee, Oly.
I know a few things about the Oly situation, though not the full picture. I'm not in a position to comment on them more directly. But…
Which teams, from across oceans or of few resources, would meet the new requirements? Victoria and London answered the call, but Oly wasn't able to.
There's quite a big difference between "not able to" and "chose not to." Unless you heard directly from Oly that they were actively seeking WFTDA teams to play and couldn't find any, not hearsay, this is a baseless assumption.
An alternative explanation is that this year (and beyond?) they decided not to seek out additional WFTDA games, other than the ones they had previously agreed to play from last year, and therefore made a decision to sit out the WFTDA playoffs. For whatever reasons they chose. Not the reasons you or anyone else would maybe like to believe.
RCDL simply banned them
When? How? Why? Oly played in an RDCL game early last year, which is not a long time ago in the banked track world. Plus, now that B.A.D. and Rose City have taken their turns on the banked track, all six of the flat track power teams in the west have played at least one, and at most two banked track games in SoCal over the last three years.
The RDCL made it clear that their focus is now on promoting and fostering interleague play among themselves, which is why Team Legit was advised their last Battle on the Bank was last year. Again, if you have a direct confirmation from someone down here in RDCL-land that they've specifically banned the Oly Rollers of Olympia, Washington (and not just "superteams"), let's hear it.
WFTDA seems to have taken a different approach, cost them out.
Yes, costing out the 2009 WFTDA Champions is a good idea. Who cares if some of the smaller leagues in the WFTDA can't afford the additional travel expenses. At least we got Oly!
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
Oly's failure
Why is this Oly's failure, and not in part or whole, a failure of the WFTDA? Losing one of your champions within four years of them winning it all doesn't paint a good picture on the WFTDA, no matter how you slice it.
It's sad that the immediate assumption is that the WFTDA could not have possibly been in the wrong in this developing situation. But there's clearly something else going on here. I suggest we wait until the full story comes out, from all parties involved, until we jump to conclusions.
But this being Oly, a lot of people have decided that truth doesn't matter. Just their version of it.
Thank you DNN. This question has been on my mind since WFTDA announced the ending of the region system and adopting a worldwide division system. Which teams, from across oceans or of few resources, would meet the new requirements? Victoria and London answered the call, but Oly wasn't able to.
But it is ironic that teams from across oceans were able to schedule games with leagues in the Pacific Northwest, yet Oly, part of the Pacific Northwest, wasn't. One wonders how much, if any, derby drama was involved. For Oly's part the last couple of years seem to be a transition from league to pickup team.
Talk has been going around the last few years about how to prevent “super teams” from competing in derby association championships. RCDL simply banned them, WFTDA seems to have taken a different approach, cost them out. How long before USARS gives them the boot? Small wonder the response of the WFTDA community to Oly's failure is a virtual “don't let the door hit you on your way out” and “good luck elsewhere”.
Currently only leagues with strong business structures are able to compete in WFTDA's championships. That has been the main focus of WFTDA in the last few years, helping leagues develop their business structures. For example, last week's WFTDAcon in Florida was solely orientated to improving leagues' business practices.
as a fan of sports in general, this situation baffles me...Oly is a legit contender from what I have seen and I (as maybe a naive sports fan) would think that top tier teams want to play the best of the best
good luck to whatever they decide to do
With their finding more success on the USARS side of things, this isn't really all that shocking. The vast majority of their fans (and I *am* generalizing here, but it's just from my observation) seem to have very little interest in any team other than Oly, and therefore not much interest in the roller derby world outside of Olympia.
Whatever happens in the future, I wish them the best of luck.
I would totally be down for helping curate an MRDA power ranking list
We definitely need to update the FAQ, as *much* has changed in four years. I'll try to prioritize that for the next rankings cycle, if ECDX doesn't devour us alive.
As I have been told by an number of my fellow derby fans and a number of players after I made a comment about this being the only poll that No Coast has dropped off on, that this poll actually has very little meaning outside of discussion. None of the tournaments are tied to this poll. It's sort of like Sports Illustrated's top 10 college football picks. In the end the only poll that matters to most all of the teams is the WFTDA poll which of course none of the men's teams can be on.
However...another thing is that I don't recall seeing very many bouts between men and women in recent years. This means you can't really form a base to compare. This is why in college sports there are both polls for men and women...not combined. There is no single college basketball ranking...it's Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball. I really don't ever seen there being an officially sanctioned bout between a men's derby and a women's derby team to form the required base by which to rank men in this poll.
I see this phrase "high level team" or "quality opposition"; what are you saying? Where is this line being drawn? Top Ten? "Perceived" Top Ten? Top Twelve? What teams in the top 25 are not "high level"?
I'd never actually read those (very loose) requirements and always assumed that these were WFTDA rankings. I'm pretty sure Team USA should have been #1 since October of 2011 given the standards provided in the FAQ (thought watching Team USA play Gotham would be interested given the number of cloning experiments that would be required). And LADD probably should be on there somewhere. And maybe Team Bionic (hey, they may roster different skaters, but their full roster hasn't changed that much).
But please don't add those teams. Just change the FAQ to say that these are WFTDA rankings and move on. Just my $0.02. :-)
I believe I recall that a few years ago, people asked if there could be men's teams included in the power rankings, one of the arguments used was that there wasn't enough data due to there not being that many men's teams that have played a lot of bouts. The MDC was having its first real season and hadn't expanded to become the MRDA yet. So there wasn't a large enough data set. Now, there are 30 teams in the MRDA with lots of bouts between teams.
I think it would just be a fun wrinkle to throw at the power rankings.
The argument used to be there wasn't enough data available...
This was the argument?
Isn't it about time we add some MRDA Teams to the mix, considering the data from scrimmages of men's vs women's teams? For example, Mass Maelstrom beat Boston in a public bout. So conceivably, they might be ranked above them. And there are examples of men's teams scrimmaging other teams on this list to give more data. I feel like the top MRDA teams would be ranked pretty well on this list.
I know I'm stating something controversial here, but if the criteria is "If your team plays roller derby as a sport, you're eligible" then why aren't there any men's teams on the list? The argument used to be there wasn't enough data available, but that's not the case any more.
The form was refreshed so that the DRD/Wasatch error from earlier was corrected; this, however, also refreshed the W/L records, which include Rocky's win over DRD and MNRG's loss to Gotham.
Sorting this stuff out is in the development backlog which is being worked through, we promise!
(And the third game is, I think, the unsanctioned win over Pike's Peak.)
As of the time this was posted (noon on Saturday 6/1/13), MNRG was actually 0-3 in 2013 (losses to Texas, RMRG, and Denver), not 0-5. What is going on?
Now, the weekend's games brought a loss from Gotham and a win over Ohio. What will the next rankings record be? If it's anything other than 1-4, it'll be incorrect. :)
While we're on the subject, Rocky Mountain was 1-1 when this was posted. RMRG is now 2-1. They hope to be 3-1 after June 9th (Wasatch no doubt has different ideas on this last bit).
As of the time this was posted (noon on Saturday 6/1/13), MNRG was actually 0-3 in 2013 (losses to Texas, RMRG, and Denver), not 0-5. What is going on?
Now, the weekend's games brought a loss from Gotham and a win over Ohio. What will the next rankings record be? If it's anything other than 1-4, it'll be incorrect. :)
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There is no regulation around home teams, "B" teams, etc. I've long felt that the B Teams from the teams in Denver could beat a lot of Division 1 "A" teams, bit it's irrelevant. Those B teams (for most leagues) contain players from the A team charters and there's nothing to stop them from adjusting their rosters on a whim. Same thing with home teams. Gotham (or anyone) could stack all of their best players on a single "home team" and claim to be the #2 team in the world. It'd get a little weird when you tried to decide which one should be ranked higher, though! :-)
The idea of sub-dividing your team and claiming that both your whole team and some subset of that team should both be ranked is a head-scratcher.
Just ran the numbers for The LRG / Terminal game....
The result would have been bang on prediction for FTS if London had been ranked #7.
I'll be the first to admit that this doesn't mean much at this stage as it's only a single data point from a potentially large set, but it amused me to note that this morning given the nature of the discussions here.
I also believe that the rankings from #5 - #10 are slotted wrongly but I guess we'll find out in one week. I felt similarly about the last Power Rankings (May) which had Angel above Rat and we all know how that ended.
Granted, that was a close win but Rat wasn't at full strength and with the return of Missile America and the addition of some new players to the B-team things are looking up. Despite the departure of Anya Heels :( the defense looks fairly solid and Carmen Getsome had a big impact there.
Either way June 8th will be an awesome bout at the Key!
Btw: thanks for all the hard work DNN! You guys rock!
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Everything he said is true.
Not that it matters, because it will all be settled at playoff time, but geez DNN, really??
Seems the "regional-bias demon" has infiltrated the power rankings group.
See, I thought the whole idea of the DNN power rankings was "if team A played team B today, who would win?" Which is why I always liked Power Rankings vs. FTS and the others. The human factor. This list proves that humans can be wrong, and will be. Oh, yes, you will be...