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Bout Preview: Frito-Lay vs. Crackerjack

Nope, it's not an April Fool's joke (we triple-checked.)

Via the Heraty Law blog:

Frito-Lay has filed an opposition to the registration of Crackerjack’s trademark with the USPTO.

Crackerjack is one of the founders of the Mad Rollin’ Dolls roller derby league and is the president of the WFTDA,  an association of 78 roller derby leagues from every corner of the United States.

Crackerjack currently skates with the Hotrod Honeys of the Texas Rollergirls. Coincidentally, Frito-Lay is based in Plano, Texas. This reminds me of how Starbucks, which calls Seattle home, tried to jam up its hometown roller derby league, the Rat City Rollergirls over a trademark issue.

Frito-Lay filed the opposition yesterday, April 8, 2009.

The blog goes on to cite Frito-Lay's primary arguments as to why Crackerjack should not be allowed the trademark for use in roller derby. This, by far, is my favorite reason:

2. Likelihood of Confusion. Frito-Lay claims that the members of the public who purchase candy will likely confuse the roller derby competitor Crackerjack with the candied popcorn confection Cracker Jack. According to Frito-Lay, Crackerjack, when used in connection with roller derby, will cause confusion, mistake, or deception.

As they say... you can't make this stuff up. DNN will keep you informed on developments on this breaking story as it develops. The legally inclined can check out the PDF of the official opposition here. Hat tip to Gotham ref Johnny Zebra for bringing this to our attention.

Comments

Who's the real poppinjay here....

Inquiring minds want to know.

The Original GGRDonald
awaits a cease-and-desist order from Disney.

So Help Me Litigating Jebus

Stoopid lawyers cited this same sort of absurd "confusion" argument in the context of (successfully!) getting the WWF (rasslin') to change their name to the WWE.

After all, us plebes were constantly donating our dollars to Hulk Hogan and Greg "The Hammer" Valentine, all in the name of protecting the wetlands, saving the bald eagles, and helping protect our forests. And we encouraged steel cage battles between pandas. Something of that nature.

So it makes sense, I suppose. If us numbskulls can be accused of confusing professional wrestling with an environmental organization such that the legal system feels the need to help us discern the two, then a renowned derby skater being confused with that box of long-expired quasi-toffee-and-peanut-peel crap in Gramma's pantry can just as easily be confused. Right?

In all seriousness, the WWF/WWF case provides some unfortunate legal precedent, no matter how absurd (tho' I think its origins were in British courts). In Crackerjack's favor, however, it's etymological origin precedes the snack by several decades as a noun to describe something "first-rate." How appropriate in one of these cases. 's a matter of fact, if memory serves (why do I remember this tripe?), the story behind how the snack got its name serves to reinforce it's presence in the common vernacular well before the popularity of the treat. So there may be a common-law-based fightin' chance.

FYI.......

Titan Sports (the predecessor of World Wrestling Entertainment) had entered an agreement with the World Wildlife Fund as per the use of the WWF logo (they could use the initials WWF in the US only). When The AntiChrist Vince McMahon violated the agreement by using the scratch logo orldwide, the UK High Court ruled in favor of the non-profit animal rescue organization.

The Original GGRDonald
anyday I'm gonna get sued by The Rat, I swear.

On a happy note

I just checked the International Rollergirls' Master Roster and the name "Candied Popcorn Confection" is still available.

Miss Print
Cincinnati Rollergirls
http://news.cincinnati.com/derbydiva

wha-what?

They're seriously worried a HUMAN BEING, will be confused with popcorn?

Lois Carmen Dominator (LCD)
Boston Derby Dames
www.bostonderbydames.com

It's in the dictionary...

...and the definition predates the product. Oh, and the product is two words, not one.

While she is most assuredly a sweet treat....

I'd say that Crackerjack (note: one word) is more aptly defined as a person or thing of marked excellence.

Is there a prize at the

Is there a prize at the bottom?

Toy Surprise in the Form of

attorney's fees.

I'd rather have the temporary tattoo of the monkey for a change.

Adding a Layer of Irony

Frau and I were killing brain cells on late night TV last night and saw the King of the Hill roller derby episode. What people might not remember from that episode was the sub-plot involving Bobby and Tom Petty breaking into a Frito-Lay plant. I'm sure that sub-plot left such a bad taste in Frito-Lay's mouth that they oppose everything that is right and good about roller derby.

BTW, it would be Frito-Lay vs. Crackerjack. Opposer is listed first.

- bjmacke (a.k.a. Apron)

crackerjack - roller derby skater or sweet nutty treat?

Like I'm ever going to be confused with a novelty popcorn snack.
These big corporate types think they have ownership of the water and the air so why not words and sounds too.

I need this trademark, so i can be in the roller derby videogame with my superpower laser eyes that'll explode your wheels off when I make a crazy face.
They’re not even willing to negotiate and let me use it for derby related purposes only.
They say they're so famous my use of the word is detrimental to their image. We told them I had no intentions of making or marketing snacks but it made no difference.
They think I’m detrimental to the image of snacks.

I'll be fighting this for the next month or until we can convince them to give it up, and I really appreciate everyone's support in following the story and passing it along.
I've been Crackerjack for five years and they never cared. I'm still just a nobody it's weird they care now.
Crackerjack - roller derby skater

Already a videogame character

I'm sure you already have very smart people working on this, but it might be helpful to know that "Cracker Jack" has already been used as a character name in a video game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Street_Fighter_EX_characters#Cracke...

RE: Already a videogame character

Well you notice they din't go after Capcom who owns the Street Fighter franchise cause they don't wanna fuck with a billion dollar empire. They figured "oh some stupid roller derby chick with no money, we'll go after her".

THIS IS THE INFO

that Crackerjack needs! Maybe Frozen Code Base can follow up on this with their connections and do the same. WTG!!! Elle

Cracker Jack: character on

Cracker Jack: character on Play Station's Street Fighter. Pepsi
Food Service division (the one that works with Frito Lay) is in bed
with Play Station for several deals. I can assume that the derby
game will not be a play station game?? I'm no gamer so don't
know...
regardless, i think the real issue is a character, with that
name, already exists on a game played by a machine produced by folks in kahoots with Frito/Pepsi. Granted, it's not a derby girl, but it is a "fighter". The
name is not just trademarked as the yummy caramely snack but is
trademarked (assumption) as that game character already. Which would
mean the issue is with the producers of the new game, not
necessarily the skater. they should have researched gaming
characters before offering her the stint with that name attached.
it's amateur sleuthing at best...but it's what i got.

It seems like

Starbucks backed down after all the press and commenting online about it. Pass it on, indeed! We *are* a community of tens of thousands now - spread the word...xxxoooMercy

If anyone would know the meaning of her name, I would!

First, Crackerjack, I miss you and it sucks that the first time I see your name in a while is due to this!

Having been hired to announce for MRD by Crackerjack and working on numerous league projects with her, I misspelled her name as Cracker Jack for well over a year. One day she looks at me and says,
"Bob! It's Crackerjack. As in ONE word."

"Oh, sorry, I thought Cracker Jack (as in the candy) was spelled as two words."

Her response - which is damn close to verbatim - was, "NO, not two words like the candy! Like BEING Crackerjack."

I, uh, "pretend" to understand, unconvincingly, and she says, " You know, like being a crackerjack lawyer."

After she says that, the actual term does surface in my brain remembering that it actually is a rarely used adjective to describe someone as being tops at what they do. Like being "ace." Not that I'm giving the hardware people someone to go after!

You know my number! I'll be the first on the stand.

Bob

Confusing Crackerjack with Cracker Jack.

What a load of crap. Anyone who's ever strolled behind the Hot Rod's or Texie's bench during a bout and taken a deep breath knows that the first thing that comes to your mind is NOT carmel covered popcorn and peanuts. It might smell like victory, but it sure don't smell like "CrackerJack" (tm). "CrackerJack" smells more like Baseball and not Roller Derby. I think you ought to change your name to "NOT Crackerjack" just to satisfy any morons and lawyers (they are not mutually exclusive) and still piss off Frito Lay.
SmoPho.

oh please do

Please change your name to "Not Crackerjack", that's awesome.

Holly Gohardly
Charm City Roller Girls

Yes. This!

That's exactly what I was thinking!

This saddens me

I was going to change my name to Flavor Sack, but they "own" that too.

booo

I would say boycott crackerjacks but I haven't eaten a box in about 15 years.

Holly Gohardly
Charm City Roller Girls

The fact that the trademark

The fact that the trademark was granted to a phrase already in common use at the time is a failure of the trademark system.

If they were going after someone with enough money to hire a top lawyer, they would risk the basis of their trademark being overturned, a very risky proposition in modern courts.

Be interesting to see if they'd be willing to go to court over it. It wouldn't be good publicity for Frito Lay, especially if the press decides to pursue the angle that as a roller derby skater she's unpaid, puts a lot of unpaid hours on the administrative side, and in fact they can't prove any connection between their product or roller derby or confusion in the marketplace.

As far as the video game is concerned, we don't know if they reached some sort of accommodation involving a token amount of money.

It really all depends on how much trouble Crackerjack is willing to go through to defend her name. Unlike WWF/WWE, letters which only have meaning when describing their relative organizations, crackerjack had pre-existing meaning that persisted long before and long after the popcorn confection was trademarked.

they are going to court over it

Bustaarmov wrote:

Be interesting to see if they'd be willing to go to court over it.

They are going to court over it. Frito-Lay filed a petition in opposition to Crackerjack in the TTAB (Trademark Trial and Appeal Board) of the USPTO. The TTAB is the court of the USPTO.

If you're really interested in why our Crackerjack will be victorious in this matter against Frito-Lay and their Cracker Jack (and his little dog, too), look into the 2007 Hormel v. Spam Arrest matter.

A quick link to a blurb about Hormel v Spam Arrest:
http://tinyurl.com/dkyu7z

Here's a link to a couple articles for the trademark wonks out there:
http://tinyurl.com/spam-arrest-LOC
http://tinyurl.com/spam-arrest-SEA

In my opinion, Crackerjack has a stronger defense against Frito-Lay than Spam Arrest had against Hormel because SPAM was an invented fanciful word (a contraction of "spiced ham") and "crackerjack" is a generic term that pre-dated Frito-Lay's Cracker Jack.

Original source?

Here's what I just posted as a comment to the Heraty laws article linked above:
------------
I have been researching the composer of "Take Me Out To The Ballgame," Jack Norworth, for several years. I'm also a roller derby fan. Jack is most probably rolling in his grave over this one! If Crackerjack the skater needs me to fly to Texas as a witness -- since the product "CrackerJack" owes it longevity to the song Jack wrote -- have her contact me through Gotham Girls. I'm known as k.d. Caustic there. (Yes, we all have derby names. In fact Jack Norworth wasn't his birth name, either!)

-- k.d. Caustic

-- Member of Sunshine Skate Announcer Mafia / GGRD and SRD Superfan

What's REALLY disturbing is

What's REALLY disturbing is that no skater, not even from Texas, has concocted a name that's a play on "Frito Pie." Or "Wavy Lays," for that matter. WE HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF SNACK-BASED DERBY NAMES!!!

In an unrelated matter, i used to have a pet rabbit named "Spam." I certainly hope Hormel doesn't sue me for damages, mental anguish, and an overabundance of rabbit-based fecal matter.

Wavy Lays?

I have no comment on "Wavy Lays" at this time.

Within the derby culture though, I really think "Rolled Gold" would be the most natural play on the name of a Frito-Lay product. I suspect that "Oh Boy! Oberto Meat Jerky" or especially "Funyuns" could provide some pretty interesting opportunities for new derby names as well.

It seems a shame that their management hasn't seen an opportunity to become a sponsor as a result of this situation.

Slack Kerowhack
Mid Atlantic Derby News
twitter.com/MADNews

hehe

Instead of 'Funyuns' it could be 'Stunyuns'...I don't know...I just thought that was amusing.

Teacher A. Lesson
Broad Street Butchers
Philly Rollergirls
www.phillyrollerderby.com

I forwarded this to Ben and

I forwarded this to Ben and Norb in case they didn't know yet. I know that Ben said that Frozen Codebase considered all these issues with names and stuff, so I'll tell him to call you and let you know more about that. This is b.s.
You're a little nutty, but I still wouldn't confuse you for that candied popcorn confection. :P Good luck with everything, Crackerjack.

Yaya der Hey

Fox Cityz Foxz
Appleton, WI

FC

Any news on when the public will see screen caps? I'm dyin' to know what this game is going to look like.

Concentric Circles

Those from Rat City may understand what I mean by that subject line, but it does fit here. Derby is not a multi-billion dollar industry so we're an easy target. I really think that Crackerjack has a good case here.

But just in case, the next time Texas plays TRD, someone will have to remind Bladeworld to replace the Cracker Jacks with Crunch and Munch. We don't want any confusion here..

with derby love...
Michi-chan
The Arizona Derby Report
http://www.michichan.com
PS: The new episode of Michi-chan's REAL Derby is now online. 40 minutes of solid derby video coverage!

OUR STATE.. OUR DERBY!!

An easy target . . .

but not a very lucrative one. Unlike WWF/Titan Sports, there is not a deep pocket in sight.

Which hopefully makes it likely that Frito-Lay will fold thier tent when it becomes obvious that the negative publicity isn't worth the money Crackerjack isn't making off of her name or the money Frito-Lay isn't losing through infringement of thier copyright.

FTF,
Panzermensch
Scoreboard/Stats - Garden State Roller Girls

First, I'm no lawyer.. But

First, I'm no lawyer..

But don't they generally have to prove that a 'reasonable person' would be confused between the two?

"One is the loneliest number.."

Yeah, I'm just that petty

I still refuse to buy any product made from Starbucks even though it was a long time ago. I guess I won't be eating anything made by Frito Lay anymore either. I wish you the best Crackerjack!

Torch Her
Fresh Meat Coach, Announcer, Wise Ass
Green Country Roller Girls
Tulsa, Oklahoma

boycott

Yeah, I haven't purchased anything from starbucks since and refuse to go there. Now I will add another item to my list. Oh and come to think about it, I think I'm still boycotting exxon from 2000

Torchher wrote:

I still refuse to buy any product made from Starbucks even though it was a long time ago. I guess I won't be eating anything made by Frito Lay anymore either. I wish you the best Crackerjack!

Torch Her
Fresh Meat Coach, Announcer, Wise Ass
Green Country Roller Girls
Tulsa, Oklahoma

Holly Gohardly
Charm City Roller Girls

I haven't either, but it's

I haven't either, but it's only because they don't sell bacon in a cup. ;)

Nothin But Nuts

Is tops on my Frito Lay product/derby name list.
Thanks for your support everyone, it really helps my mental game to know you've got my back.
Crackerjack - please don't tear open my box lookin for surprises

PS In case there really is any confusion, this might help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cONCc7dRpVc

Kudos, Justice, on titling

Kudos, Justice, on titling this article a "Bout Preview".
I expect Axle Adams to cover the court proceedings, and something SERIOUSLY sassy written on CJ's panties.

Color me unsurprised.

Actually, color me unsurprised that it had to wait for a blocking move in trademark courts for something like this to happen.

Let me set aside this particular case (which I'd suspect is rather weak on Frito-Lay's part), there are skaters out there with names that are flouting all sorts of trademarks and copyrights. When it can be put down to parody that's fine (but could still cost you some bucks defending in court).

There's also skaters out there who have celeb names word for word. To me, that's kind of asking for a lawsuit.

-Barely even speaking for myself...
*~[
Grand Poobah

Just a note: It seems that

Just a note:

It seems that Frito-Lay's strongest claim is that "The likelihood of confusion, mistake or deception that would also arise from concurrent use and registration of Applicant's mark CRACKERJACK with Opposer's use and registration of its CRACKERJACK Marks is that persons are likely to believe that Applicant and its services are in some way legitimately connected or affiliated with, sponsored, approved, endorsed or licensed by Opposer when, in fact, they are not. Accordingly, registration of Applicant's mark CRACKERJACK is barred by the provisions of Section 2(d) and Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act."

Certainly, the candy is historically associated with sports, so there's at least some basis here.

Also, I'm fairly certain that it doesn't matter that the word predates the candy; the question of whether it's a valid trademark would center on whether the word had previously been associated generically with that TYPE of candy (see the legal entanglement over Miller's attempt to defend a trademark on "lite beer").

Pish-Posh. Not Sport*s*, but Sport* *

Football and Cracker Jacks?
Hockey and Cracker Jacks?
Billiards and Cracker Jacks?
NASCAR and Cracker Jacks?

-or-

Baseball and Cracker Jacks?

They're associated with only one specific sport, and they're litigiously bullying someone in much the same way Starbucks did (and I still buy Starbucks, tho' only after they backed down - nyah).

The best way, as some people are doing, is to publicly shame the company and frame the issue as a large corporation muscling its IP incorrectly and unethically against someone who's not interested in market competition with them.

Helluva lot cheaper that way, at any rate. And appeared largely successful in the Starbucks case.

Meh, basis or no

I still wont buy their crap just for them being jackasses about a name. And like a few others said, I too refuse to patronize Starbucks ever since the Rat City logo fiasco. If that makes me petty, then so be it.

-Morbid

Morbid Cherub
Plot #916
Burning River Rollergirls
Cleveland, Ohio

WHAT!?!?

Just getting caught up on my derby news after a holiday hiatus. WT fuckin' F is this shit, Frito-lay?

I am willing to volunteer my skillz as a crackerjack researcher to this effort.

Crackerjack Vid on YOU TUBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cONCc7dRpVc

Edit_ I didn't see that Cracker posted it already. but watch it again :)

derbylove.net
Owner -Proprietor

All the good jokes are taken

Screw it, I'm changing my name to Bean Dip before them Duke Boys get after me. "buy me some peanuts and roller girl snacks...I don't care if I eeever get back..."

Articles

http://77square.com/citylife/features/story_447246

http://austinist.com/2009/04/14/frito-lay_austin_roller_girl_o.php

http://seattletrademarklawyer.com/blog/2009/4/13/frito-lay-opposes-rolle...

If/when this hits the major news outlets, always with an unsympathetic slant toward Frito-Lay (and concurrently informing the public about roller derby and the people who put their heart and soul into it without getting paid), it will be interesting to see how F-L plays it. After all, the mainstream media always loves a David vs. Goliath story.

SO much for Vegan snack foods....

I just crossed damn Crackerjacks off the list....those bastards.

Hard Cora
ACDG

It's all pretty ironic...

Considering that Frito-Lay wants to market its snacks to women:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/business/media/25adco.html?pagewanted=all

They're essentially alienating a pretty big community of the kind of women they're presumably trying to market to, from every walk of life.

Some of the best battles are won on multiple fronts. I think there are 48 roller derby games taking place this weekend. A call by announcers to boycott Frito-Lay products, especially their new ones aimed at women, among perhaps 20,000+ attendees spread around the country might get some attention.

Attention

Yeah, the wrong kind of attention. Calls to action like that have a dangerous history of going horribly wrong.

Ultimately this is an intellectual property dispute, not apartheid or the Exxon Valdez. People can boycott Frito-Lay, but it would be bad tarnish your own credibility by telling large groups of people they should do it too.

FYI - PepsiCo, the parent company of Frito-Lay, employs about 165,000 people. I bet at least a few of them will be at those 48 games this weekend.

- bjmacke (a.k.a. Apron)

Seriously?

I can't believe people are shocked and offended that Frito Lay, a company that has spent a ton of dough on marketing and product development, is saying that a participant in an obscure sport can't trademark her fake name since it's the same (or one space bar click away) as one of their best known products. Crackerjack might be a big deal to the derby community but as far as anyone outside is concerned, they're gonna hear her name and say "The snack? No, hmmmmm, does she represent the snack? No? Then why does she have the same name as the snack?"

defending trademarks

My understanding of the Rat City logo thing was that it was never all that *real*--publicized by Heraty law and inflamed by the same kind of chatter we're having now. Don't companies at least have to go through the motions of defending their trademarks so that they can point to those battles when a legitimate challenger comes along?

I'm sure Rat City and Crackerjack have better things to do than go through their own motions in response, but (serious question) is this really an issue?

--
#49
Boston Derby Dames