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#24 Montreal Stuns #6 Rat City, 110-103

  • Montreal jammer Iron Wench landed a game-winning 13-4 with 2:20 left in the game as Montreal (#24 DNN, #7 WFTDA East) scored an enormous upset on Rat City (#6 DNN, #5 WFTDA West). Photo: Axle Adams.

SEATTLE, WA -- Heavy underdog Montreal, unofficially ranked #24 in the nation by DNN and #7 in the East by WFTDA, came into the first game of a three-bout Pacific Northwest swing against unofficial #6 in the nation and #5 in the West Rat City and landed a huge upset. Montreal only led three times in the game, but they were in front when it mattered, coming back from an early 59-11 deficit to win 110-103.

Though there were some new names on the Rat City roster -- rookies Shorty Ounce, Method of Madness, Trouble Loves Mimi, Corre Caminos and Glitter, along with longtime vet but recent transfer Goodie Two Skates -- they also had standouts Carmen Getsome, Kamikaze Kim, Juliet Bravo, ReAnimateHer and Primp Daddy. Notably missing from last year's tournament crew were Anya Heels, Jalepeno Business, Valtron and X-Khan. Montreal came in with mostly the same roster that had played at the 2010 Easterns, though they only had 13 players for the trip.

Read DNN's archived text boutcast of this game.

The opening seven minutes saw a number of low-scoring jams that left Rat City barely ahead with a 9-5 advantage, but the margin was busted wide open on the game's sixth jam. Montreal jammer Iron Wench joined a full MTL penalty box and the floor was open for Rat City's Carmen Getsome to rack up a huge 27-2. Penalty trouble continued for Montreal as Wench went back to the box at the end of that jam, and that led to a 15-0 score for Juliet Bravo. In the space of two jams, the score had jumped from 9-5 to 51-7 with 18:20 left in the first half.

But when Montreal was able to keep their jammer out of the box, the game went right back to the small-margin scores that had opened the game. Still, they were slowly losing ground, with the deficit reaching its largest point at 48 points -- 59-11 -- with 12:31 left in the half. Part of their trouble came from the loss of Ewan Wotarmy, who'd taken a hit to the face early in the game and sat most of the opening half, leaving Iron Wench and Georgia W. Tush running a one-two jammer line for some time.

A 5-0 for Tush followed by a 13-2 powerjam for Iron Wench gave Montreal the beginnings of a comeback, making the score 61-29 with just under nine minutes left in the half. The charge continued with Montreal narrowing it all the way to 65-41 going into the last jam of the half, where Carmen Getsome managed to finally get a clean jam win with a 9-0 that ended the half at 74-41.

The Montreal comeback really caught fire in the beginning of the second half, which opened with a 4-0 to Iron Wench and 15-0 to a returned Ewan Wotarmy to get Montreal within striking distance at 74-60. Though Rat City got their scoring going again, they couldn't stop Montreal's inexorable encroachment on the lead. With 20 minutes left in the game, they finally got the margin back to single digits at 78-72.

Already having trouble with a revved up Montreal, Rat City got into jammer trouble they couldn't afford with about 16 minutes left and the score 78-75. Wile E. Peyote was sent to the box for a two-minute stint as Rat's jammer, but Rat City's blockers battered Ewan Wotarmy into a star pass to Cheese Grater and Montreal only got 2-0 out of it. However, Wile left the box after only one minute, getting herself called back for another two minutes in the box. That set up the lead change, as Iron Wench blew through a light Rat pack on powerjam for a 7-0 that made it Montreal 84, Rat City 78 with 11:57 to play, capping a 43-4 run through the half for Montreal.

Rat City took it right back on the following jam, though, climbing all over Georgia W. Tush while Juliet Bravo ran for 15-0 to make it 93-84 Rat with ten minutes left. And then the game reverted to the same way it had opened, with narrow-margin single pass scores that left Rat City barely clinging to a 99-95 lead with about 5 minutes to play.

The score was stuck right there for two jams before a 2-0 for Iron Wench made it 99-97 Rat City with 2:20 left to play. Rat City called time there, which had the effect of resting Iron Wench to go right back to the jam line for what proved to be the game-winning jam. A 4-2 pack favoring Montreal allowed Wench to get lead and Montreal to lock down on Bravo for a 13-4 Montreal run.

Rat called timeout with 6 seconds left on the clock -- and Montreal responded with a following timeout of their own -- but there'd be no last-jam heroics for the home team, who still faced a 4-2 pack disadvantage. Montreal's Ewan Wotarmy shot through untouched for lead and called the jam at 0-0, sealing the upset win for Montreal.

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Way to go, Skids. Keeping the game alive long enough to mount a comeback. Capitalizing on your chances. Taking care of business. Step by step, to the top!

Everybody panic!

Montreal beats Rat City? OMG!1!! the WFTDA must break up the East Region! We need realignment NOW!

Are you going to make the

Are you going to make the "Our #7 beat your #5" shirts or do I have to?

My shirt?

"What?sterns"

to tell the truth

Rat city shirts would look good with some neon on them

They will

I think the WFTDA already has plans to yank Montreal out of the East. They did announce they were going to for a "Canada" and "Europe" regions, right?

is that a combined region?

Will that be two separate regions? A canada and a europe? Or just one hodgepodge region of "people from way out there" ?

Seems like an organizational hurdle, heh.

And the Derby Math "#1 in Canada = #7 in the East = #5 in the west" T-Shirt screams to be made.

:P

I don't think this is new news.

http://wftda.com/leagues/regions

"WFTDA is currently divided into four game play regions: US East, US West, US North Central, and US South Central. However, due to growing interest from women’s flat track roller derby leagues outside the United States, the WFTDA has formed two new regions: Canada and Europe. Until the Europe and Canada Regions are further developed, teams in those regions will continue to compete in the closest U.S. region for rankings and tournament eligibility. Montreal Roller Derby, of Montreal, Quebec, and the London Rollergirls, of London, United Kingdom, will compete in the East Region. Hammer City Roller Girls, of Hamilton, Ontario, will compete in the North Central Region."

Making Canada its own region

Making Canada its own region is such a terrible idea. We are better off doing what we are doing now, and be part of the closest current region.

Agreed 100%

We just add a few leagues each to West, North Central, and East. South takes one or two off each to make it even, there you go.

Cue the xenophobia!

Yep, if you think the regional quarrels are bad now just wait 'till we can equate our nationalities into our regional bias. Didn't the NHL and WWF already do this? In all seriousness, I love the idea of keeping teams in the regions that make it financially easy to compete against as many fellow regional teams as possible. I hate the idea that it may spawn the 'ol USA vs. Canada debacle.

Who has the biggest flag?

BArf wrote:

I hate the idea that it may spawn the 'ol USA vs. Canada debacle.

Sort of already happening, hearings at least once "USA USA USA" by fans with at least one sign "Go USA" and such at almost all of the Montreal bouts in the states. :p

I remember with the Montreal Sexpos last year at one bout where we brought a Canadian flag as requested which was purchased cheaply a long the way there. We bought whatever was available, and once there, happened to be bigger than the US flag they had. What do they do? Someone rush to find an even bigger one, lol.

Too funny

Hailing from a land far far away from the USA, where the most attention the flag ever gets is the annual call for it to be changed to not have a Union Jack on it / incorporate the Aboriginal flag / include a boxing kangaroo / be prettier colours, I am pretty delighted by this story. I'm pretty sure an Australian team playing abroad and asked to bring a flag would also just buy the cheapest one nearest the door in the most convenient shop en route.

This.

BeckW wrote:

Hailing from a land far far away from the USA, where the most attention the flag ever gets is the annual call for it to be changed to not have a Union Jack on it / incorporate the Aboriginal flag / include a boxing kangaroo / be prettier colours, I am pretty delighted by this story. I'm pretty sure an Australian team playing abroad and asked to bring a flag would also just buy the cheapest one nearest the door in the most convenient shop en route.

This. And it would probably end up being a disgustingly green boxing kangaroo flag simply because there's a tiny part of every Australian that actually enjoys playing into the bogan stereotype just a little...

Please despatch boxing kangaroo flag to Texas ASAP

Its absence from my bedroom shrine to tacky Austaliana is sorely felt.

(I have a Mortal Wombat and a kangaroo wearing a swaggie's hat, and on the internet you can find Texas Rollergirls promo photos that show me holding a drop bear, which is itself holding an Australian flag. All of these things stare at me constantly from the skate shelf at the end of my bed.)

Trumped :P

Haha I can even trump you with the fact that floating around Brisbane at the moment is a set of green skinz with a yellow boxing kangaroo (red gloves) sewn onto the right butt cheek.

A very special, custom-made present from Derby Skinz to my local skate shop Skate Salvage, who very specially presented it to a skater in Brisbane who owns practically every colour and style of skinz ever made :P

Why have I not seen these

Why have I not seen these skinz?!

I don't know, WHY?!?

They were on one of the J.Lo butt-model mannequins in the shop for at least 4-odd months, how often do you come to visit us? :P I tried to dig up a photo yesterday to post here but it looks like there aren't any :(

Totally agree with you Nameless

Canada is rediculously BIG and whats even more rediculous is that it is WAY cheaper/closer for us border leagues to travel to the states and play in our current respective regions than try to play teams on either coast of canada and anywhere between. We're talkin sometimes $1000/person to fly anywhere in Canada, so this would still leave the Canadian region with very inconclusive "regional" results especially for teams that could not afford to travel within Canada more than say once a year if that.
Just my 2 cents.

very expensive

I experienced the cost of flying from a Canadian city to another Canadian city and it is crazy expensive, cost me many a Loonie and Toonie, flew from Edmonton to Vancouver, trust me, next time I shall drive across that beautiful countryside and mountainous region =)

ranking, what ranking?

Man I love when a team comes in and turns the rankings upside down! Wow! Way to go Montreal!

Montreal not a suprise

Montreal turned the lets vote on the best team because I like my friends better than yours rankings upside down, but any of the mathematical statistics based rankings have them ranked accurately. These wins are not a surprise if you look at the stats. If anything Jet City performed above expectations even-though they lost.

Sorry, you're just wrong.

Going into this game, here's how the math-stats rankings had these teams:

Derbytron: Rat City #9, Montreal #24
Dyte: Rat City #6, Montreal #13
FTS: Rat City #15, Montreal #19

No matter how you look at it, that was an upset win.

FTS did have the teams ranked more closely than any other system, but they also have totally baffling rankings like Nashville #11 over Rose City #12 (?) and Atlanta at #5 (???), which makes me do this:

On your other point, I agree entirely with you that DNN rankings are solely based on how much we like our friends. You really nailed that one.

Heheh heh heh

Justice Feelgood Marshall wrote:

really nailed that one.

Heh. You said 'nailed'.

Atlanta underrated

Atlanta only has 9 loses out of 28 total matches since 2009. And none of those teams they beat were any slouches so to speak. The teams they lost to were all very strong teams as well. Kansas at the Amber Waves of Pain tournament was the biggest surprise. I don't think anyone predicted their success. Just because Oly and Rocky are from the west doesn't mean that every team in the west is so good. I think what plummeted Rose City's rank was their loss to BAD. Plus, they've always been kind of a streaky team. Never really dominating at any given stretch. They did come close to beating Oly, but a loss is still a loss.

RAT and Rose usually get a hefty spanking from east coast teams. When you consider most of Montreal's games played are on the east coast, they are more used to that style of play, which RAT and Rose do not match up well against. I guess you can say Montreal is a surprise because they started out so poorly and everyone expects them to suck, but once they learned the game, they only got better and most importantly they keep on playing tougher teams consistently so that they do get better. They played 16 rated games in 2010 across the nation, not even gotham played that many games. Plus, you have to figure Montreal's skaters grew up on skates, their only learning curve is to learn the game. The more games they play the stronger they will get. That is why Montreal is becoming a power house team. The same is true for any of these hockey centric towns. All they have to do is go on road trips like Montreal and they will be top ranked teams within a couple years.

Check your facts...

The only Eastern team that rose has lost to in the past 2 seasons was Gotham at hometown throwdown. Before that you would have to go back to July of '08 for the loss to Philly. In fact the only two eastern teams rose city has ever lost a sanctioned game to are Gotham and Philly. One lose to Windy in '09 and one loss to Texas in '08 are the only other two non western teams Rose has lost sanctioned games to.

Not exactly 'usually a hefty spanking from east coast teams'

odd choice of comparison

The Cheet wrote:

[Montreal] played 16 rated games in 2010 across the nation, not even gotham played that many games.

More 2010 bouts than Gotham? Impressive ... oh, if not for the fact that the same could be said for 18 of DNN's current top 25 teams.

Nothing against Montreal -- let's all enjoy watching them graduate to the elite levels! However, as long as Coach Lobster is leading up a fact check campaign against this particular paragraph, I'll question the relevance of this factoid, too.

Montreal 16 bouts and Gotham 13 in 2010

Calvin Ball wrote:

Nothing against Montreal -- let's all enjoy watching them graduate to the elite levels! However, as long as Coach Lobster is leading up a fact check campaign against this particular paragraph, I'll question the relevance of this factoid, too.

According to flat track stats, Gotham played 13 bouts in 2010, with Montreal having played 16 bouts during the same time period. *shrugs*

try again

You missed my point ... it wasn't that Gotham played more than Montreal - because that would be counterfactual. And if JFM is to be believed, counterfactuality is a bad thing.

My point was that the same 'compliment' can be paid to eighteen of the top 25 teams... it was like praising March for having more days than February.

Or praising Dump Truck for being a better announcer than Rev Al Mighty. ZING!!!

Uhmmm...

The Cheet wrote:

When you consider most of Montreal's games played are on the east coast, they are more used to that style of play, which RAT and Rose do not match up well against. I guess you can say Montreal is a surprise because they started out so poorly and everyone expects them to suck, but once they learned the game, they only got better and most importantly they keep on playing tougher teams consistently so that they do get better. They played 16 rated games in 2010 across the nation, not even gotham played that many games. Plus, you have to figure Montreal's skaters grew up on skates, their only learning curve is to learn the game. The more games they play the stronger they will get. That is why Montreal is becoming a power house team. The same is true for any of these hockey centric towns. All they have to do is go on road trips like Montreal and they will be top ranked teams within a couple years.

11 of those 16 games were wins. The 5 losses were to teams that were ranked higher then us (2 Boston and 1 Charm) with the other games being very close games ( Tuscon and Carolina)
I dont know where your facts say that Montreal "sucks" but I think the track record of 2010 with the first appearance of an Canadianl Team onto the DNN top 25 as well as a regionally ranked tournament kind of speak for themselves.
Also finally, They all did not grow up on skates.

That Kansas team is da bomb.

That Kansas team is da bomb.

Piling on

The Cheet wrote:

RAT and Rose usually get a hefty spanking from east coast teams. When you consider most of Montreal's games played are on the east coast, they are more used to that style of play, which RAT and Rose do not match up well against.

2010 Rat City:

Defeated Charm City 145-103, Philly 128-123
Lost to Gotham 145-55

2010 Rose City:

Defeated Charm City 135-67, Boston 87-61, Philly 118-116, Carolina 189-28
Lost to Gotham 190-63

I am beginning to suspect you might not actually know what you're talking about. You're welcome to prove me wrong though!

To choke or not to choke? That is the question.

Yeah, I agree it was a hasty generalization to say Rose and Rat play poorly against east coast teams. I just scanned their stats to see who caused their biggest losses which was Gotham in both cases. My point being is when you see teams like Rose lose to a lower ranked teams like Windy, then turn around a beat a power house team like Philly, only to later lose to an ever lower ranked team like BAD. It makes the team seem unstable with some good talent but no clear focus. Same is true for RAT. You look at their charts and they look like Yo-Yo teams that can go either way at a whim.

On the other hand, Montreal has had a consistent win streak for some time now. Granted they lost to Boston and Carolina, when they probably should have won, but that could have been attributed to nerves for being at the big show for their first time. Whereas Rose and Rat are veteran teams who consistently choke in the big shows, only to make up win later probably against B team skaters. I guess we just have to wait and see if Montreal will be the Canadian equivalent of Rose/Rat big show choke teams.

My question is where is Toronto in this game? It's the biggest city in Canada, but not wftda yet. Hammer City has been disappointing so far considering they probably skated in some of the same rinks as Gretzky. I guess one can only dream that Kitchner aka Tri City will explode onto the scene like Oly did. My theory is Tri-City absorbed all of the Gretzky aura, which is why Hammer city is suffering. We'll just have to wait and see.

Oh Canada

Toronto are currently WFTDA Apprentices. Tri-City doesn't need no stinking Gretzky to explode onto the scene. Well maybe when we play Montreal in March.

Lippy

Hockey is not the reason

Not so much nerves, but more like distracted as well not playing as the Skids since ECE before that due to our home season. Now as an independent team within our league, Skids will be able to better focus and has some bouts during the summer before next Regionals. We will see how the Skids does with Boston this weekend. :)

Toronto grew too big and too fast, but have in the last year or two refined themselves and now WFTDA apprentices. Hammer City *shrugs*. Tri-City has potential, and so does Rideau Valley in Ottawa also WFTDA apprentices.

Aside from that, hockey and ice skating makes for poor explanation as many of us have not skated or played hockey in the past, especially as girls and women. Only in the recent decade that there is huge upsurge in girls playing hockey. So Gretzky power my butt. :p

Hammer City Love

The Cheet wrote:

My question is where is Toronto in this game? It's the biggest city in Canada, but not wftda yet. Hammer City has been disappointing so far considering they probably skated in some of the same rinks as Gretzky. I guess one can only dream that Kitchner aka Tri City will explode onto the scene like Oly did. My theory is Tri-City absorbed all of the Gretzky aura, which is why Hammer city is suffering. We'll just have to wait and see.

As an ex Hammer City skater, I have to say that we only actually had about 3 skaters who had any ice skating background. Most of us started from scratch when learning to skate. From what I know, this is a similar trend amongst most of the leagues here in Southern Ontario. As for Hammer City's recent performance, they unfortunately suffered the 5 year burnout of a lot of their veteran skaters and with very little intake of freshmeat over the past years there was a huge disparity between the vets left and the rookie skaters coming in. They are rebuilding right now and are destined to rise again.

minor correction

Iron Wench did not go to the box twice as a jammer, but only once as a blocker. There must be some confusion based on the plethora of tacky neon tights in the group. We'd have to look at the penalties sheet to know who it was.

I was nursing a pretty good hit to the head at that point in the game, but I remember that much.

NSOTB WOO!

This story makes me SO happy. Not that I don't love Rat City, I just love Montreal even more.

2 down

Wow. Two very exciting bouts. Impressive work by NSOTB. Upsets like this in the top 25 rankings don't seem to happen nearly as often in derby as in other team sports...I can't wait for the Oly bout tonight!

OMG - Ha.

Chuck and Calvin - thank you for CRACKING me up.

Why do I love Justice?

Because he tells it like it is....

WITH PUPPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DNN Bias?

Come on, you guys, you've given so much space all week to Montreal's defeats of Rose and Rat, but not a mention of Oly's shellacking of Montreal? What gives? Oly held Montreal SCORELESS for more than 20 minutes--that's right, held them to 18 total points for all that time. Surely that merits even a tiny little mention??

Come on now...

At least give them a little time to get all the details!

None of the DNN Staff writers were at the bout, they didn't have a text or video cast & Justice had a bout of his own that he was coaching this weekend...

Cut them a little slack, please?

Yeah, what Megatron said.

If there's no live text or video of a bout and we don't have anybody at the bout who has agreed to write a recap for us or let us republish their existing recap, we're pretty much SOL on delivering a report. DNN is not currently omniscient; that is scheduled for the next version of the site.

Not Good Enough DNN

WHY AREN'T YOU PERFECT?! YOU SHOULD BE OMNIPOTENT!!!!

What, don't we pay you enough?! Oh.. wait..

;) <3

DONATE

Yeah, maybe you should donate more money to DNN!

Wait, I think you're on to

Wait, I think you're on to the conspiracy!

Rat and Jet

It was Rat and Jet.

As much as I would love to see Montreal play Rose City!

As much as we would love for

As much as we would love for Rose City to let us play them. ;)

Montreal was able to hold off Oly for a bit too

As it was said, there was no DNN presence at the bout. Also having the bout being public was bit short notice as was previously designated to be private.

Anyways, while they may have held Montreal for 20 whatever minutes, Montreal was able to hold off Oly from scoring for 6-7 jams in the row in the second half. Regardless, Montreal entered the bout to learn from Oly, not to somehow pull off a win.

One thing we learned from the weekend in Pacific North West is that we need to adapt quicker in the first half instead of waiting for the second for a comeback which may get sidetracked by the apex point of penalty minors in second half. It is certainly a good start of the year for us and considering our rate of improvement, imagine how we will be by next fall. ;)

I can't wait

By next fall, Motreal should be awesome (not that they aren't now). I can't wait for the 2012 Regional Tournament.

Heres a recap of Montreal vs OLY

Ozziegirl wrote:

Come on, you guys, you've given so much space all week to Montreal's defeats of Rose and Rat, but not a mention of Oly's shellacking of Montreal? What gives? Oly held Montreal SCORELESS for more than 20 minutes--that's right, held them to 18 total points for all that time. Surely that merits even a tiny little mention??

Montreal played Rat and Jet.
Detroit played Rat and Rose.
I think this article is a good summary of the game.
As for a shellacking, well Montreal did hold Oly scoreless for 7 jams and held them to a 20 point spread for a while.
Also Montreal is #7 in the East while Oly is #2 in the West. ( www.wftda.com )
I dont think its bias when a #2 Oly (DNN) goes up against a #24 Montreal ( DNN) team and loses by less then 175 points. One team is at the top of the DNN Power rankings while the other is at the bottom. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to be an equal game.

Tom George wrote:

But if there is one thing everyone around here came away with this weekend about Montreal is they are definitely a second half team. And after those first five jams, they took the game over for a solid stretch of their own. The New Skids were able to hold Oly scoreless for the next seven jams (has that EVER happened before???)

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Oly Rollers dominate Montreal Sunday night - Seattle Roller Derby | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/roller-derby-in-seattle/oly-rollers-dominate-mon...

Another recap!

Derby Deeds reporter Matt Faure gives an amazing recap of a bout he did not attend:

http://derbydeeds.com/2011/02/mtlvoly/

You people make me laugh

Really???

The reason thre was so much talk about Montreal beating Jet & Rat is because it was no expected! Everyone in derby was talking about it the next day!

I'm a HUGE Montreal fan & did not expect to see them win.

When Oly beat Montreal, it wasn't major news.

Get off the conspiracy theory...Get a life
Derby Love,
The Reverend Al Mighty.

I agree with Rev Al Mighty

I got 2 of 3 right this weekend, just did not get the first one right at all. A win is a win, thats why they play. I'm not sure of any coach or team that goes in with a game plan to lose. Its a game within a game,with ups and downs and adjustments. Its history, on to the next challenge, but you can't take away the results. Best power drinking I've had since the Oly-Rocky final. Thank you Skids, thank you hosts.

Dr.Johnny Capote