Rat City Breaks Modern Attendance Record
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Over 6000 people fill the lower bowl of Seattle's KeyArena. Photo by Jules Doyle. See the truly huge original image.
At the league's season championship bout Saturday, Seattle's Rat City Rollergirls set a new modern roller derby attendance record, maxing out the lower bowl of KeyArena with 6885 tickets sold and over 6000 people in attendance.
While classic roller derby routinely filled arenas, notably including Madison Square Garden, through its heyday in the 1950s and '60s, audiences of this size are a very new development since the sport's reinvention in Austin, TX early in the decade. While bouts in cities such as Seattle, Portland, St. Paul, and Indianapolis have drawn crowds of 3000 or more in recent years, venue capacity has recently presented an obstacle to audience growth (fueled in part by the recent film, Whip It). In many cities, the "next size up" is a college or pro basketball arena with a capacity of 15,000 or more, the cost of which is often prohibitive.
The 2008 departure of the Seattle Supersonics NBA franchise to Oklahoma City left KeyArena searching for tenants to replace their 41 home dates, paving the way for Rat City's experiment in the major league venue. Rat City handful of 2009 dates established the league's ability to steadily draw an audience of well over 3000 people. Based on that experiment, the league booked their 2010 intraleague season in the venue, committing significant resources to a broad-based marketing effort which included busboards, local cable TV ads, and a massive postering effort.
Saturday's bout marks the first time the league has filled the venue to capacity in its "lower bowl only" configuration. "If next season's ticket sales continue like this, we will look at opening the curtains," says RCRG's Director of Business Operations, Alyssa "Lorna Boom" Hoppe, referring to the drapes obscuring the arena's upper tiers of seats. KeyArena seats 15,177 in its hockey configuration, which is also suitable for roller derby. Opening up the additional capacity would increase the cost of venue rental, due to increased custodial and security needs.
In Saturday's action, Rat City's Throttle Rockets won the third place bout, defeating the Derby Liberation Front 153-121. In the title bout, the Sockit Wenches beat Grave Danger 127-97 to claim the league's 2010 season championship.


Comments
Nice work!
Nice work!
Panoramic photo...
There are a few errors in the panoramic stitching that Photoshop did. I'll have to fix them sometime over the next week. You'll notice no skaters on the track. Two identical refs calling lead jammer and an outside pack ref without a head. :)
Panoramic photo
You'll notice no skaters on the track. Two identical refs calling lead jammer and an outside pack ref without a head. :)
That sounds perfectly normal.
I mean, it IS roller derby.
Got that right
Got that right hahahahaha!!!!!!
I was just going to ask if
I was just going to ask if this was some sort of demo, but I hadn't seen the headless ref yet.
Anyway, the most interesting part of this is that there are 6000+ people in there, yet there's still tons of open seats for even more people!
empty seats...
This was taken a few minutes into the 2nd half of the 3rd place bout. Walking up to the upper levels, I saw lots of people getting food, beer and merch with lines 10-20 people deep. I'm sure that if I went up there middle of the championship bout, that the seats would have been much more filled in. I have a photo that will be posted tonight or tomorrow of the crowd on their feet for the final jam of the champs bout and not many empty seats in sight for that one.
Ha!
an outside pack ref without a head. :)
Appropriately the OPR without a head is "the headless ref".., Ichabod Bane:)
Photos like this make me
Photos like this make me downright giddy. Congrats Rat City!
Let me tell you...
...it was LOUD in that arena.
Loud when skating started, louder still when someone picked up Lead Jammer, and the place went ape-s#!t when the Wenches won the trophy.
It was an amazing night that makes me happy to be part of this world. =)
It could get louder
with a packed lower bowl in an all-star bout:)
It's been very satisfying watching people go to derby for the first time and watching the gleem and smiles on their faces because the sport has hooked them.
It's also been very satisfying watching derby draw well at the Key, outdrawing on average the WNBA and college B-Ball with NO LOCAL SPORTS MEDIA COVERAGE WHATSOEVER.
Le Sigh...
This.Is.Amazing.
Domme E. Nation
Arch Rival Roller Girls
Photo
Great shot and hats off to you guys putting in that kind of number.Its amazing and says a lot of what's happening in the derby world.
Honestly though after looking at the bigger image and seeing all those people I really just noticed one. The smoking hot ref in the middle. :)
That ref in the middle...
is, appropriately enough, in light of your comment, Mae Kim Beg.
hahahaha
AWESOME!. :)
Ref Wiggum for Rat City is
Ref Wiggum for Rat City is even HOTTER. I heart Ref Wiggum :-)
green
Serious case of venue envy....
Unless we figure out a way to skate on soccer pitches, doubtful we will ever be able to step up to this level in London. :)
Hey, Charm City does it for
Hey, Charm City does it for every home bout. ;-) (Plywood and sport court on top of indoor soccer turf.)
Eyjafjallajokull
Thanks to the volcano, there were even a couple of London girls helping to set up the floor at one of CCRG's bouts, so they know how to do it.
Que sera sera...
Derby at Wembley! There's the answer!
YAY, WENCHES FTW! I lovee Rat
YAY, WENCHES FTW!
I lovee Rat City.
you forgot to Mention that Jerry Only from the Misfits did our national anthem :) hah
There he is!
I think I just found Waldo.
My head...
...just exploded. The exposure is amazing, but...how do you SEE the players???
I find it somewhat
I find it somewhat interesting that intraleague drew this well. Nashville actually did away with intraleague play this season as interleague bouts are pretty much guaranteed sell outs, but intraleague didn't draw nearly as well.
Exactly the Opposite, Historically
I find it somewhat interesting that intraleague drew this well. Nashville actually did away with intraleague play this season as interleague bouts are pretty much guaranteed sell outs, but intraleague didn't draw nearly as well.
In Madison we're the opposite - our biggest crowds have been historically been for our intraleague bouts. Most of our interleague bouts happen in the spring and summer, and unfortunately when the weather is nice in Wisconsin, people like to be outside...
Intra vs Inter
Nashville ... interleague bouts are pretty much guaranteed sell outs, but intraleague didn't draw nearly as well.
In Madison ... our biggest crowds have been historically been for our intraleague bouts.
Tucson has always had much better turn out for intraleague, as well.
I always figured it was the
I always figured it was the level of the roller derby. Intraleague is a "lower" level of play because the league's talent is diluted (IMO). Last season we'd sell out 1400 seats for an all star game, and draw 600 or 700 for intraleague.
Inter-league bouts typically don't sell
Gotta thank Donnie for jumping in on this. Nashville is very much in the MINORITY, though kudos to the league for pulling fans for those games.
Generally speaking, the Midwest's experience is entirely the same. Good crowds for league play, 50% or less for inter-league play. And it's not just here. I'd not be surprised if Rat City hadn't pulled a number like that if it was inter-league. If you remember the big Texas/KC bout the winter/spring after KC won the championship, it was played in A ROLLER RINK! At that time, all of KC's inter-league bouts, to my understanding, were played in the roller rink. League bouts are played in an arena (I believe). Crowd drop off to see maybe the best bout of the year was enough to not risk the overhead of a larger venue. MNRG may pull 4000 fans to watch a league bout, but, at least a few years ago, was lucky to pull over 1000 for inter-league play. It's a HUGE ISSUE.
This is also why the rash of travel-team leagues (no league play) bothers me. First, league play is a blast. It's all a blast, but when you have a larger league (Madison is about 100 people including staff), we have six seasons of memories I'd never trade. AND decent crowds that can make a league quite profitable. More power to Nashville, as their crowd's interest in the "big bouts" is what logic would dictate. But there isn't any money in inter-league play for most! The crowd is small and you pay the other team an appearance fee (or swap home bouts and keep your own gate money. This is why you see so many play each other twice the same season or in consecutive seasons). IF, say, you have four home teams and play a league season, it DOES start to make sense why the crowd is larger. With 100 skaters/staff there, we all have families, friends, all girls have a varied number of fans (and they are guaranteed to play)...you have a built in crowd of what could be over 500 people. Inter-league? Small rosters and fans may not know who will play. I've called who knows how many bouts in more places than I can remember and only Raleigh pulled the same crowd for an inter-league bout as they did for league. 1700 at the Dorton in November 2007.
It's an interesting yet horrific quandry. Nobody may want to talk about it, but, trust me, the "crowds" at tournaments don't exist very often. The 2008 East and Nationals were the only two big WFTDA events I've worked that had crowd influence. The East and South last year pulled well at times - usually when the home team played - but were only skaters the rest of the time. I just returned from The Big One, which was well run, seemed to be well publicized, had some AMAZING bouts, yet I could count actual fans most times by scanning the crowd for a minute or so. Truth is, most leagues pray to break even on tournaments. A few have lost enough to wind up facing some hard decisions down the road. Inter-league play is NOT the big ticket draw. It is for us! Not for fans. It's a hard truth that needs to be addressed very soon. Somehow, a nation-wide effort to promote inter-league play, and our playoffs, needs to be done AND connect to our fan base. When you show up at the big event to the cheers of mostly the other teams playing, that's a serious problem.
Au contrare, mon frere
here begins a lengthy exposition of long-developing thoughts, which I realize I'll never have a better opportunity to lay down
The idea that "interleague doesn't sell" is a persistent urban legend, but in my experience it simply doesn't bear out. There's a subset of cases for which this is true, which seems to include 1) leagues that were among the first couple dozen to form, and 2) a handful of younger leagues that attached themselves very aggressively to the intra model based on advice from their more veteran neighbors.
I think a similar principle causes this phenomenon both for this subset of leagues, and also for tournaments: fans care very much about "their" team, and aren't too terribly interested in "other" teams' bouts. For leagues that focused tightly on intraleague play for their first couple of years, the fans only have the opportunity to develop that relationship with intra teams.
There are no shortage of teams that consistently draw very large crowds for city-on-city bouts. Naptown never had a intra structure, and consistently pulls 2000-3000 or more. Cincinnati started with an intra structure, but quickly moved to interleague only while drawing similar crowds. Santa Cruz has settled into intercity-only play, and they sold out their 1200-seat venue 32 days in advance for the last bout.
Additionally, there are a number of leagues that have successfully developed an interleague fan base after starting with an intra structure. You mention Carolina; I raise you Rose City, who pack the house for everything they do; Gotham, who are now successfully drawing capacity interleague crowds (in admittedly smallish venues for their market size); both Denver teams, drawing 2500+ all year; both Derby Dolls leagues; and more.
Beyond that, while I haven't done the math, we're clearly to the point where the strong majority of leagues simply do not have an intra structure, and are thriving nonetheless. Just based on the constant stream of bout results that come through my inbox on the way to the site, I'd guesstimate that around three-quarters of local roller derby organizations are now either single-team or A/B organizations, skating strictly intercity action.
Beginning with my observations from the better part of year on the road, I've had an awful lot of time to think about these issues, and I've reached a couple of conclusions. First, I've come to believe that the "3 to 5 teams playing a season locally" intraleague structure is, at its core, an accident of history, and not actually a natural and necessary structure for the sport today.
When the sport existed in only one city, naturally that city needed several teams. As it spread, the next dozen cities formed the same way because there was no reason to think that actual travel to other cities would actually ever happen. 2005-2006 proved the contrary, but by then inertia had set in -- new leagues formed with that intra structure, because "that's how it's done."
Whenever I probe a little deeper into the source of the "interleague doesn't pay" legend, it tends to turn into "it didn't work the couple times we tried it," with very little exploration into the question of *why* it didn't work... and furthermore, what other leagues have done differently to make it work (as some have, as we established above). I think a deeper investigation would uncover that it requires a real commitment and determination to develop a fanbase for the interleague team, and that leagues that elect to really get it done have consistently succeeded.
I'm looking forward to a day when skaters at the current "intra" level play get to play MUCH more often with MUCH less work, against MANY more opponents, in a structure that's more akin to the traditional meaning of the word "league." Almost anywhere in the US where there are four teams playing for a local championship, there are now at least half a dozen other teams of similar skill within easy day-trip distance.
Let's make a season out of those TEN teams, playing every other week, ten or more games in a season, against every other team, often without all the overhead of production, then crown a "league champion" who's not just the best of four, but the best of the whole metropolitan area and beyond. The current "travel" or "all star" team of the metro area in question will continue to provide upward mobility, as they do today. Likewise, there's downward mobility for skaters who need their lives back but still want to play, or who need to rehab from injury, or whatever.
Time for a modern roller derby census, for a lot of reasons, but in no small part to get real numbers to substantiate or refute the above arguments. Add that to the list :)
I'd tend to agree with most
I'd tend to agree with most of the points you make.
We went to an A/B format this season and totally dropped intraleague play. I'm not a board member (just a sponsor/employee), but I imagine several factors went into the decision. First and foremeost was economic. Intraleague (as I mentioned) didn't draw. I don't think our fans ever even really understood it.
"What you mean you're going to split up (what in their mind is) the Nashvuille Rollegirls into these other three teams and play against each other... what are they scrimmages or something?" Also, as I mentioned before, you're at that point dropping the level of roller derby down a notch. The league's talent is diluted across those teams so instead of seeing one really really good team, you get to watch 2 teams play who have 4 or 5 really good players and 8 marginal ones.
I think we'd experience the same thing in a B team only bout, failure to draw. We tend to schedule doubleheaders with a B team bout as a warm up to the A team bout. In the mind of the Nashvile fan, the Allstars are THEIR team, Nashville's team. If they are a hardcore derby fan, they'd still come to an intraleague or a B team bout, but it doesn't have the same draw as seeing THEIR team, and that team is the Allstars.
Exhibitions, man!
I don't think our fans ever even really understood it.
That's kind of interesting, because last year, while helping to put away the floor after one of my league's last interleague bouts of the year, one of the other guys helping with the tear-up turned to me and said "I can't wait for the real bouts to start." I was like "REAL bouts?", to which he replied "you know, the home season. These bouts against other cities are just EXHIBITIONS, man!" So it's obvious that, in the immortal words of Herman's Hermits, this door swings both ways.
I tend to view Bob's statements as representative of reality as i know it, but Hurt brings up a lot of good points about the four-team league structure being an accident of history, and aggressive marketing of the interleague team being key to getting the concept over with the rubes ((or "marks" or "smarks" or whatever we call derby fans these days)). I definitely like the idea of local-ish ten team leagues ((draw a point on a map and compass out a circle with, say, a 150 mile radius. You probably got at least a league's worth of teams within that circle, even if you threw out the more established/ranked teams)). Are there any WFTDA by-laws that preclude member or would-be member leagues from organizing into any sort of affiliations of that sort?
Not true for the midwest even...
This is also why the rash of travel-team leagues (no league play) bothers me. First, league play is a blast. It's all a blast, but when you have a larger league (Madison is about 100 people including staff), we have six seasons of memories I'd never trade.
Sure it's fun. Except when it's not.
When you're a smaller league, and you have both, while simultaneously dealing with injuries, retirements, personal lives, trying to pay the bills, and getting everyone some playing time, balancing that with fielding a competitive interleague team, and oh yeah, now folks want a B team too, and we've got to have time to promote....and hey, where's that mythical "off-season" again?....intraleague can start to be a drag.
We did three seasons of intra and inter, and at the end of that third, decided to go interleague only. By no means did it solve all our problems or end world hunger, but it did allow us to focus on working with who we had, and it let us relax from trying to be in the mode of recruiting all the time to try to get big enough numbers to support. Our crowds have steadily increased. No longer do we have to explain, well, yeah, there's four teams here, that play each other and they're all from here....it's just Columbus v. whatever other city. And people get that.
Back when we did both inter and intra, we did have *slightly* higher intra than interleague crowds -- but it turns out that the intra/inter wasn't the difference in crowds -- it was timing, scheduling, venue, all those other things.
So all that to say, yep, some leagues pull more for intraleague, some pull more for interleague. But none of that is written in stone, and I'd be hard pressed in our sport's short history to draw any overarching conclusions that can be applied universally just yet.
The story
Thanks for the shout out. And congrats to Rat City! That is an inspiring turn out. We had to move to a bigger venue this past season to better accommodate our growing fan base for our interleague only home season. Along with schedules (midwesterners prefer to watch sports indoors during the winter months) I imagine inter vs. intra attendance numbers have a lot to do with fan expectations. NRG fans expect to see us defend our house against leagues from all over. And they love it. They look up our upcoming opponents and fill our message boards with speculation on how the bout will go leading up to the event then spend a week dissecting it afterwords, pouring over photos and listening to podcasts to relive the magic. I bet our fans' heads would spin if they saw gals from our league play against each other rather than with each other. It's a different narrative. But hey, they might come to love it. Derby is derby after all. And more derby is better than less derby.
p.s. I love Naptown fans.
Philly bout advertised on radio
Congrats to Rat City. This photography is amazing!
Just heard a commercial for this Saturday's Philly Roller Girls bout on 97.5 WPEN-FM sports talk radio -- probably also ran on 950 WPEN (AM) -- they simulcast most of the time. Love to see -- um, hear -- the word getting out like this.
Wow!
Congrats Rat City!
The question on everyone's minds...
...or at least on my mind, is how is Rat City successfully retaining their audience? Of course, I am assuming that the majority of those 6000+ folks are people who have been there before.
Domino Theory?
I think the fans who came out in the beginning started telling their friends, relatives, and associates. Some of them liked it, stuck with it and told other friends, relatives, etc, etc.
I also suspect cult of personality indentification with favorite teams and players has added to the attractiveness of the derby. Good write-ups in the lifestyle section of the papers and some TV and Radio appearances has raised awareness. The skaters also do some of that good community volunteer stuff.
They've also lucked into getting into a pro sized arena to accomodate more people with comfy seats and good sightlines. I'm sure if more leagues around the country had similar good fortune to Rat City and Windy, we'd hear more success stories at the gate like this.
This year, we have MAJORLY
This year, we have MAJORLY increased our public relations and marketing.
we did flyering, posters, BUS ADS, radio ads, TV commericals, press releases, public appearances, fundraising & charity work, web write ups, interviews, fan appreciation out the A--, blah blah blah.
it's suprising to hear that some people in Seattle STILL don't know derby is alive and well. it's almost mind blowing. We've pushed and pushed the league into everyone's minds, and people are starting to tell all their friends.
I can't WAIT to see what Rat City and other leagues will accomplish in another year. It's about to get REAL. ;)
also: there are empty seats in the lower bowl, because we currently sell tickets as GA. if we choose to assign seats on tickets, we can fill every seat next season!
Bus ads?!
That's kind of rad.
Nice work, y'all.
Very Carrie Bradshaw.
Very Carrie Bradshaw.
It bears mentioning
that this sort of thing does not happen by magic. Five + years of good grassroots marketing and the whole league pitching in to run a really great business is what built a real marketing budget to do the full court press this year. Every member of that league who worked her ass off in the last 6 years is just as responsible as this year's great marketing campaign. And I have to believe that Whip It really is making a difference for leagues who already had a good business infrastructure in place to be able to capitalize on that exposure for the sport...
Rat has always run a good business as well as a great athletic program, and good business is the undergirding of this kind of success.