WFTDA yesterday released the results of the ranking vote for the third quarter of the year. We at DNN officially have no comment. Nooo comment.
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WFTDA Releases Q3 2008 Rankingsby Hurt Reynolds - November 13, 2008 - 2:30pm
WFTDA yesterday released the results of the ranking vote for the third quarter of the year. We at DNN officially have no comment. Nooo comment. |
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currently inactive?
WTF?
when i grow up i want to be a texas rollergirl
that makes the bracket easier
eh?
Someone should have told them before Western's.
Compiled before the tourneys?
If I recall correctly, these were supposedly compiled before the tourneys, but I could be wrong.
Even so:
BADG
Providence
Grand Raggidy
all had spots in the regional tourneys, and they're not ranked? How do you get in to a regional if you're not ranked?
BADG is even going to Nationals as the second seed from the west.
Duke City upset KCRW and yet Duke is ranked behind them.
MOOSE IS CONFUSED!
the quarter falls in between regionals and nationals
Actually, the date to submit votes for the rankings was just a week or two ago.
Yes, but
leagues went inactive as of the new quarter...November 1.
Duke below KC
it's all averages from subjective votes- every league gets 1 vote.
nobody likes us, everybody hates us, guess I'll go eat worms bum bum bum...
Duke won't be under KC for too long...
If Duke City keeps playing the way they have, they will eventually surpass KC.
I think in 2009, Tucson will gain some of their standing back.. just watch.
=m
with derby love...
Michi-chan
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http://www.michichan.com
p.s. Hey, Duke.. come back and visit Tucson.. I miss ya all!!! (*^u^*)
It surprised me too
I was very surprised to see we were ranked above you! I mean you beat us!! Whatevs. I'm sure it will change next time.
--Annie Maul, KCRW
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"In this sport there are winners, and there are losers. But we are all winners because we are on skates."
--Coach Death
I'm mostly befuddled about
I'm mostly befuddled about the fact that teams i saw playing with my own two eyes during the last ranking period -- Brewcity, Grand Raggidy, Dixie -- are listed as currently inactive. How active does active gotta be?
inactive doesn't just mean games
Inactive does not necessarily refer to how physically active a team may be by playing games.
Your league can be deemed inactive if you are not participating on a WFTDA committee, or if you didn't pay your dues, or if you didn't meet the voting requirements. There may be other criteria but I'm not an expert on this subject!
Inactive Status
Active/ Inactive status has to do with leagues meeting WFTDA requirements both on and off the track.
For example, if your membership dues are unpaid-- you are inactive. There are other requirements as well, but this is the most clear cut one. All member leagues should thank their WFTDA reps for all the work they do to keep their league in good standing. Even for the the leagues that aren't there this quarter, your reps are still doing a ton of work. There's a lot more stuff going on than most folks realize.
Rankings are a benefit of being an active member in the Association. If you are not an active member of the Association, you don't get a rank.
Requirements for active status are voted on by the membership.
xo,
Loco Chanel/ WCR/ WFTDA Representative
Sorry, But I don't understand.
Rankings should be a measure of how well each team performed over the course of the season as compared to other teams.
Fans want to see how their team compares to other teams in a "official" standing regardless of whether or not they have fulfilled all of their obligations of league membership (dues, committees, etc.)
What about the "active" leagues? Can Kansas City say they are the 7th best team in the nation or would they really be 8th if Bay City wasn't excluded?
What affect do these rankings have on a league anyway? The only ranking that matters is the 2nd Quarter (determining who goes to regionals).
What other "privileges" are witheld from a league that is not "active". Is a league that has not fulfilled all of their membership obligations allowed to compete in a sanctioned bout against other member leagues who have fulfilled all of their obligations?
Don't want to piss anyone off with that last question, it just seems to be a logical question. What does it really mean to be "inactive"?
Al Naturel
WCR track crew
inactive - no sanction
if the league in question is 'inactive' then no, they cannot play a sanctioned bout. you can still play other active leagues but WFTDA will not sanction you.
I may be wrong, but I believe that if these inactive leagues do whatever they need to do to become active, then they go back into the rankings. The data does exist - people did vote for those leagues.
Teenie Meanie
Sacred City Derby Girls
I am confused on that...
So, was last weekend's BADG mutilation of Sacred really a sanctioned bout?
This Michi is confused. Perhaps if WFTDA disclosed WHY a league is inactive, that may help us fans determine why the inactive status and why the lack of rank.
Even though they only had one travel bout in the past quarter, I am concerned why AZRD fell off the radar.
with derby love...
Michi-chan
Michi-chan's REAL Derby
http://www.michichan.com
Sanctioned bouts while after
This is not an official statement from the WFTDA but as I understand it, while inactive you can still play sanctioned games and the games are still considered during voting. We are ranked, just not publicly until we get our active status up. There were other national qualifying teams who were inactive at the time of voting, but became active before the rankings went public, so they are in the public rankings. As soon when we get our voting record up (the reason for our inactive status), we will be added to the public rankings.
And about Sacred-Sacred is a VERY talented team. From what I understand they were playing down a significant number of starters, and BAD came in at full force ready for Nationals. That game was a fluke I'm sure of it! I mean we only beat them by 15 points in July.
Taxi Scab
Wrong.
Their bouts ARE sanctioned. Would you seriously suggest that the one inactive league should be removed from the tournament because someone at WFTDA maybe thinks they missed a vote or their check was a day late?
They do not go back into the rankings until the next quarter where they have met all the qualifications.
WFTDA has tended to set huge bunches of leagues inactive in the first quarter rankings. Many leagues will publish their rankings from this quarter and say "We've been ranked as high as..." Which is technically true, but had all the "Oops, lets drop someone onto a committee" leagues been in there, they might have been ranked five spots lower.
-Barely even speaking for myself...
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Grand Poobah
Sin City Stat Pack
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Inactive Sucks
Our league was inactive last year and it sucks. However, WFTDA has set guidelines for us all to follow to make sure that the organization runs as smoothly as possible. This includes paying dues, serving on committees (which assures that all the work needed to keep WFTDA going is done) and voting to determine the direction that the the organization will take.
While these are guidelines that we MUST follow, they are also priviledges. When we don't vote or pay dues to WFTDA we are hurting ourselves in the long run. That is why these things shouldn't be taken lightly and why there must be reprocautions for not complying.
I don't know how WFTDA should handle inactive leagues in tournaments, but the punishment for non-complaince is not allowing bouts to be sanctioned until the offending league comes back into compliance. This is not something that "WFTDA" decided. It is something that we, as member leagues, all voted on and agreed to.
What about the other team?
I don't know how WFTDA should handle inactive leagues in tournaments, but the punishment for non-complaince is not allowing bouts to be sanctioned until the offending league comes back into compliance. This is not something that "WFTDA" decided. It is something that we, as member leagues, all voted on and agreed to.
I'm a little confused, so forgive any dumb questions. As far as a bout not being sanctioned for a non-compliant league, how does that affect the other league in that bout that is up-to-date with all their WFTDA responsibilities?
That's not true.
I don't know how WFTDA should handle inactive leagues in tournaments, but the punishment for non-complaince is not allowing bouts to be sanctioned until the offending league comes back into compliance. This is not something that "WFTDA" decided. It is something that we, as member leagues, all voted on and agreed to.
I'm a little confused, so forgive any dumb questions. As far as a bout not being sanctioned for a non-compliant league, how does that affect the other league in that bout that is up-to-date with all their WFTDA responsibilities?
Harley is incorrect. Bouts held while in inactive status are still sanctioned, and count for both leagues involved.
The "punishment" is being left out of the ranks for the quarter and for subsequent quarters if the issue(s) aren't resolved.
I believe that this is the first time that this has happened to this many leagues aside from the first quarter rankings. I would suspect that those tend to be about late paperwork and/or dues.
It's not surprisingly more common to hear a league's WFTDA rank being more prominently promoted in January or February and then given less attention as it drops down a few notches as "better" teams become active again.
-Barely even speaking for myself...
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Grand Poobah
Sin City Stat Pack
Fabulous Sin City Rollergirls
I had ONE hope for this quarter's rankings:
That WFTDA would get our league's name and our travel team name right. Meh.
-Barely even speaking for myself...
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Grand Poobah
Sin City Stat Pack
Fabulous Sin City Rollergirls
It should also be pointed
It should also be pointed out that Maine Roller Derby isn't based in Oregon. (Not that it's a big deal or anything, but there's more than one Portland in this country, people)
WFTDA Rankings
Someday, WFTDA will get this ranking stuff together. Maybe they should (and I know this is heresy to speak about) look into other sports who have been working to perfect the ranking systems for many years, so that there is fairness in all ranking (and tournaments). But we will all wait for how ever many years it takes(feet dragging) for them to get it going. I don't care really though, I go to DNN and FTS if I want real UP TO DATE and realistic info about ROLLER DERBY.
I'm glued to my laptop. I wish the best for all teams involved.
wftda
sometimes I think people fail to remember that it is individual people, many of whom you know that make decisions and work to accomplish things in the wftda. It is not a distant unattached "they". just saying.
Holly Gohardly
Charm City Roller Girls
rankings
Someday, WFTDA will get this ranking stuff together. Maybe they should (and I know this is heresy to speak about) look into other sports who have been working to perfect the ranking systems for many years, so that there is fairness in all ranking (and tournaments). But we will all wait for how ever many years it takes(feet dragging) for them to get it going.
as you said, those other sports have had MANY years, not to mention things like consistency in the length of season, number of games per season, etc. to aid in creating a fair ranking system. college football still has a ranking system that involves voting for reasons such as those, so it's not just a matter of getting "this ranking stuff together". there are many factors involved.
perhaps you did not intend it to, but your comment seems to be saying that the WFTDA hasn't done that research and that they (and by "they" you mean us, the skaters) aren't working hard enough (or fast enough) to improve the rankings.
Realistically...
They likely often don't. Sometimes it's hunches, sometimes it's based upon how they saw a team do at a tournament or bout a year and a half ago.
Windy City's rankings were lower than their results suggested for a while due to Dust Devil '06. Pikes Peak took longer to move up the ranks once they started kicking some ass than they should have, possibly because people still thought of them as the punching bag of the West.
I don't mean to keep on harping on this, but Gotham should have been moved up to #1 a LONG TIME AGO.
Given that there's 60+ travel teams in WFTDA, there's too much data for the average person (or group of people) to be able to sort it all out and put it into a good set of ranks.
Next season the economy may curtail interleague bouts. Leagues may decide to focus on opponents closer to home (driving distance, even). There's already a ramping up of non-sanctioned bouts between top ranked teams (if the travel team can't afford to travel, they take the skaters who can).
-Barely even speaking for myself...
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Grand Poobah
Sin City Stat Pack
Fabulous Sin City Rollergirls
i wasn't talking about
i wasn't talking about research when voting on rankings, i was referring to research about how other sports do rankings.
Oh, good lord...
Looks like WFTDA is really cracking down with its league 'inactivity' stipulations.
I am expecting a lot of folks to be very unhappy about this. (Read all about it.)
Ug.... Gotta love a good stink.
Bat Wing
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